What to know about a 97 LC???
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bigreen505
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kcowyo said:
That is a valid point, I suppose it depends on what your daily drive is. With the Trooper, the round trip drive to work is just shy of a quarter tank. And I remember that Schattenjager is talking about a few cross country trips this year.
Personally, I would have a very hard time resisting that cruiser. I haven't really crawled through it, but it is very impressive in person.
Let me put a different twist on this discussion. You just sold your Rover because you needed a pickup. Did your needs change to allow you to have a SUV again, or are you likely to regret buying it?
And regarding KC's points:
1. Are you sure?
2. No, it is invested. :shakin:
Another point KC made that needs to be called out is the gas mileage figures. FWIW everyone I know of with a super charger on a toyota truck reports better than stock gas mileage, particularly at altitude. Off of KC's number's I will happily pay $100 extra a year in gas for the extra hp, especially since I didn't have to pay to have the SC installed (don't know the number, but I think it is like $3k+). However if I was driving 40,000 a year I might think differently and really what we are talking about is the difference between 15 mpg on premium with the Cruiser and whatever you are getting now on regular with the Tacoma. Just pointing out the facts, not taking a side. But like I said, if I had $25k right now we wouldn't be having this discussion because the Cruiser would be in my driveway -- you know, because it is way too tall to fit in the garage. :shakin:
calamaridog
Expedition Leader
Your dog will love the new rig
Schattenjager
Expedition Leader
Yeah - this ENTIRE thing depends on what Max says. He is loving his memory foam mattress on the BedRug. Hope there is enough room for that and for him to stand up in a LC. He has to herd, errr, I mean navigate, quite often...
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Brian894x4
Explorer
Seems like a very well set up rig, but that's a lot of money. For me, the mileage on the rig would be key. If it had say 50,000 miles, then maybe. But 150K or 250K and it's a bit overpriced.
But I have no idea who's rig this is. A well taken care of, well designed and well built 80 can be worth a lot. The only thing that really stands out to me is the supercharger. They aren't sold anymore and they're very expensive to buy and install, so that part is worth some cash. But rest, can all be purchased and installed along with a very nice low mileage 80 for less than 24K, IMO.
As far as mileage, my 80, when decked out is pushing about 6550lbs. I get between 12-15 mpg on the highway with this set up, which actually surprises me. I was expecting less. What it doesn't like is low speed and stop and go driving. We're talking single digits here, sometimes. After paying more than $4/gallon for gas at a few remote outposts on a trip last weekend, I'm reminded that gas prices probably aren't going down in the future (oil was $89/barrel today) and I'm not sure this rig was the wisest long term investment.
By all other accounts, it's the best rig I've ever owned and I couldn't be happier.
But I have no idea who's rig this is. A well taken care of, well designed and well built 80 can be worth a lot. The only thing that really stands out to me is the supercharger. They aren't sold anymore and they're very expensive to buy and install, so that part is worth some cash. But rest, can all be purchased and installed along with a very nice low mileage 80 for less than 24K, IMO.
As far as mileage, my 80, when decked out is pushing about 6550lbs. I get between 12-15 mpg on the highway with this set up, which actually surprises me. I was expecting less. What it doesn't like is low speed and stop and go driving. We're talking single digits here, sometimes. After paying more than $4/gallon for gas at a few remote outposts on a trip last weekend, I'm reminded that gas prices probably aren't going down in the future (oil was $89/barrel today) and I'm not sure this rig was the wisest long term investment.
By all other accounts, it's the best rig I've ever owned and I couldn't be happier.
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Schattenjager
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Brian894x4 said:
This is my fear. In the bunch of cars I have enjoyed in the past, only a couple were already mod'ed. I got them for what an unmod'ed car would have cost. Counter to that - I have sold well mod'ed cars the same way. Mods really narrow your market. Best case is you have someone in that market that wants EXACTLY what you have done, has the money to spend, and is willing to spend a fare amount. I was so stubborn on the sale of my Grand National that I almost missed the last up swing in the super hot rod market - else I would still have a car I had out grown and did not want to deal with anymore with tons of money wrapped up in it.
There are exceptions of course, but I think a car with bells and whistles is not necessarily worth more, but it might sell faster than the next car. Not to say I would sell my taco for NADA, but it would not fetch much more. But I bet it would sell super fast compared to others like it in the paper.
If I do a deal on this LC, it will have to be a long term commitment. That is a lot of money for a 10 year old car that requires that kind of commitment. Reason is that if I want to sell it 6 months later, I will have all of the above problems to deal with and no crystal ball to know the market for such toys.
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brittan
Adventurer
I have to post up on this...I made the move from 01 Taco D-cab to 97 80, white of course. It had 42K on the clock and I paid 16K in 05 for it. I think I made a good buy and I am still in the process of building it. 488, ARB lockers, rhino siding, lift, and a 4x4 labs bumper are on. Winch, custom front bumper, sliders, 35's etc are to come. When I am done I will have spent more than 25K.
Regarding the rig in question...mileage is a little high but average. The turbo is a negative for me. They run hot and add a level of complexity. You can bring the rig close to stock with 488's and 35's vs. a turbo. I agree that one can find a low mileage rig for 10K, add 15K or less, and have what you want. I saw one on craigslist with 80K on the clock for 8K last week.
I would do it all again. I loved the Taco but the 80 is butter. I needed more room for the expanding family and I had gone as far as I could with the taco. With 50K on the clock I'll have this one for a while. She is not my DD...and that makes a difference.
Regardless...good luck, you can't loose either way.
Regarding the rig in question...mileage is a little high but average. The turbo is a negative for me. They run hot and add a level of complexity. You can bring the rig close to stock with 488's and 35's vs. a turbo. I agree that one can find a low mileage rig for 10K, add 15K or less, and have what you want. I saw one on craigslist with 80K on the clock for 8K last week.
I would do it all again. I loved the Taco but the 80 is butter. I needed more room for the expanding family and I had gone as far as I could with the taco. With 50K on the clock I'll have this one for a while. She is not my DD...and that makes a difference.
Regardless...good luck, you can't loose either way.
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Brian894x4
Explorer
Another thing to consider is that if you spent $25K to buy a low mileage rig and build it up, you'd have all new aftermarket parts. Nothing on this rig is new. (I assume.) Everything is used, including the modded parts, so the value of the individual parts is less.
As far as the supercharger, there are definately times, when I wish I had one, but I've been pleasantly surprised at how well even an overloaded 80 does on the highway. And I even have 33s with stock gears.
Of course, I'm also coming from the point of view of a 5300lbs SAS'd mini-truck with 35s and the 100 h.p. 22RE, so maybe I'm just easily impressed.
If its the one on Slee's site, that is definately one purdy looking rig. But man....I don't know about the price. I'll be honest. If I won the lottery and money wasn't an object, I'd probably seriously consider it myself, though.
As far as the supercharger, there are definately times, when I wish I had one, but I've been pleasantly surprised at how well even an overloaded 80 does on the highway. And I even have 33s with stock gears.
Of course, I'm also coming from the point of view of a 5300lbs SAS'd mini-truck with 35s and the 100 h.p. 22RE, so maybe I'm just easily impressed.
If its the one on Slee's site, that is definately one purdy looking rig. But man....I don't know about the price. I'll be honest. If I won the lottery and money wasn't an object, I'd probably seriously consider it myself, though.
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difficult to price a built truck
It's painful to put a price on a truck you've built up. The time and dollars spent to install everything usually is lost. That leaves the value of the aftermarket parts, plus the blue-book value of the base vehicle.
You have to remember that, unless you just finished the build, all the parts are now used. So the aftermarket add-ons might be fairly valued at 50% to 75% of their original price.
It's true that the asking price is just the starting point for a sale. The problem with setting a high asking price is that lots of potential buyers are scared off.
Chip Haven
It's painful to put a price on a truck you've built up. The time and dollars spent to install everything usually is lost. That leaves the value of the aftermarket parts, plus the blue-book value of the base vehicle.
You have to remember that, unless you just finished the build, all the parts are now used. So the aftermarket add-ons might be fairly valued at 50% to 75% of their original price.
It's true that the asking price is just the starting point for a sale. The problem with setting a high asking price is that lots of potential buyers are scared off.
Chip Haven
adventureduo
Dave Druck [KI6LBB]
haven said:
Exactly. Usually 50%-60% for used after market parts.
That's why the past rigs i've built up.. i've parted out, put nearly back to stock and sold the rig separate. You make much more money that way IMHO.
adventureduo
Dave Druck [KI6LBB]
Schattenjager said:
I'll sell you mine for $20k
:hehe: Has all those mods and more (RTT, Rack, Fridge etc), with the exception of the blower.
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Schattenjager
Expedition Leader
Gee... how very... generous.
Wanna work a trade for a tacoma?
:rappel:
Wanna work a trade for a tacoma?
:rappel:
adventureduo
Dave Druck [KI6LBB]
Schattenjager said:
Im not listening to you! I love tacomas lol
Don't tempt me! lol
mountainpete
Spamicus Eliminatus
So here is the question Schattenjager:
If you had both keys in front of you right now, which vehicle would you drive off in?
Pete
If you had both keys in front of you right now, which vehicle would you drive off in?
Pete
Schattenjager
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Well, I have not yet seen the LC in person - hope to do that this weekend.