R_Lefebvre
Expedition Leader
What's your point? First, I'm talking CDN prices. Second, that oil doesn't appear to meet ACEA A3/B3 as recommended from the factory.
What to look for when buying a Rover?
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What's your point? First, I'm talking CDN prices. Second, that oil doesn't appear to meet ACEA A3/B3 as recommended from the factory.
timmy!!!!!!!
Explorer
Why don't you look at the specs before you speak http://www.mobil.com/USA-English/Lubes/PDS/NAXXENPVLMOMobil_1_High_Mileage_Oil.asp .
I was just letting those of us that have a walmart nearby where a great place to get ACEA a3/b3 oil for a good price.
I was just letting those of us that have a walmart nearby where a great place to get ACEA a3/b3 oil for a good price.
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R_Lefebvre
Expedition Leader
Sorry, I did try to look it up before I posted, but it looks like I took a mistep in the menu system. I ended up looking at Mobil Clean High Milage which does not have the ACEA rating.
http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Oils/Oils.aspx
http://www.mobil.com/USA-English/Lubes/PDS/GLXXENPVLMOMobil_Clean_High_Mileage.asp
Geez, maybe they need a few more grades available, it's not quite confusing enough yet.
http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Oils/Oils.aspx
http://www.mobil.com/USA-English/Lubes/PDS/GLXXENPVLMOMobil_Clean_High_Mileage.asp
Geez, maybe they need a few more grades available, it's not quite confusing enough yet.
ExplorerExplorer
Adventurer
I agree, I thought it was ridiculous, after I bought my Camaro, I saw on the fuel door "93 Octane recommended" and after a few tankfuls switched to 87... BIG difference, I swear it drops 20 hp or so (by my highly calibrated butt-dyno
, and fuel mileage goes out the door... It's just easier to find 87 around these little privately owned gas stations here out where I live, having to use 93 just inconveniences me to where I have to drive 5 more miles to get gas (I deal with it though, I don't know how, but I do)... The guy is bringing it by tonight, so anymore info will be useful... So far it sounds like a nice truck it has been service at a local shop it's entire life (not religiously, mind you), but he does have some records (enough to show the oil has reliably been changed every ~3000 miles), and he said he took it in for a tune-up at, I believe, 100k miles... Seems like it might be worthy, but we'll just see how it drives tonight...
michaels
Explorer
but stu! i only drive my truck on the weekends and it's my only car! i only put
$10 at a time in and can barely get three gallons with that! IT WILL BREAK ME TO PUT IN MORE!!!!!:coffeedrink: LOLZ.
And making long drawn out posts with no real ownership content to offer, maybe we can get another post about the wonders of Toyota . LOL
Roverhound
Adventurer
Careful! These posts will be deleted as unproductive to the thread!
Alaska Mike
ExPo Moderator/Eye Candy
Your posts containing your expert opinion (based on years of experience) have included very little meaningful content. If you disagree, explain why in a logical manner and maybe include some numbers to back up your statements. Prove me wrong, don't just resort to juvenile sniping. It gets old.
In my case, I really, really wanted a Disco. Even with parts availability up here (low) and shipping costs (high), I still was determined to get one. Then I did the research and determined that it wasn't the best vehicle for my intents and environment. Vehicle failure can be a dangerous thing up here. For me (at least), the relatively high cost of ownership outweighed the benefits of owning one. YMMV.
For the record, I own two Tototas. Neither of them are expedition-worthy, and I'm not especially attached to either of them. I bought them because they were the best vehicles I could get for the price and purpose. I expect them to last a very long time, and have had no problems with either one, minor or major in the last 150K.
I don't find Toyota's styling to be all that inspiring, and generally am kinda blase about Land Cruisers and other Toyota 4x4 offerings in general. However, if I was going to do an extended trip where reliability was paramount, Toyota would be high on my list of marques to consider, based on my experience, industry ratings, and other reasons.
Like chrome, image doesn't get you home.
In my case, I really, really wanted a Disco. Even with parts availability up here (low) and shipping costs (high), I still was determined to get one. Then I did the research and determined that it wasn't the best vehicle for my intents and environment. Vehicle failure can be a dangerous thing up here. For me (at least), the relatively high cost of ownership outweighed the benefits of owning one. YMMV.
For the record, I own two Tototas. Neither of them are expedition-worthy, and I'm not especially attached to either of them. I bought them because they were the best vehicles I could get for the price and purpose. I expect them to last a very long time, and have had no problems with either one, minor or major in the last 150K.
I don't find Toyota's styling to be all that inspiring, and generally am kinda blase about Land Cruisers and other Toyota 4x4 offerings in general. However, if I was going to do an extended trip where reliability was paramount, Toyota would be high on my list of marques to consider, based on my experience, industry ratings, and other reasons.
Like chrome, image doesn't get you home.
Desert Dan
Explorer
I would look for a Toyota not a Land Rover.
Put a picture of a 109 or 110 Expo Land Rover on your visor of your Toyota and you will be good.
Put a picture of a 109 or 110 Expo Land Rover on your visor of your Toyota and you will be good.
Alaska Mike
ExPo Moderator/Eye Candy
Mike you are not being productive! You are the one arguing! HMMM
Please don't get a Rover!
I have a Rover. A 1973 Series III 88. I'm more likely going to spend more on that vehicle than any Disco I could find, no matter how bad the condition. However, I will also likely keep it a decade or longer.
I would disagree about my not being productive. I'm all for debate about the relative merits of platforms. I would love to hear stories about Land Rovers being extremely reliable. I have yet to hear any. Please share. What I have heard is "awww, they're not all that bad", That isn't a glowing endorsement in my eyes and from what I've heard/seen/experienced.
So, why in your opinion should someone consider a Disco I/II or Range Rover? I certainly have my own reasons, but I would be interested in yours. Or would you rather continue with the inane one-liners?
Roverhound
Adventurer
I have had my Nas 110 for 16 years & my D1 off the show room floor in 98. I have had very few repairs on either truck. Alt starter rebuild, idler bearings, 2 rear wheel cylinders, now a shifter cable. Those failed parts for 3 trucks well over 200k.
My DD 97 D1 just broke the shifter cable after 190K. I bought the truck for 1500$ put 1000 into it. Its been solid for 80k. I beat this truck daily!
My F250's have eatn 2 e4ods 92 75K 96 86K. So what is your expert there Big Mike The Mod! What is your history with Rovers? Whats that? Sorry I can't hear you?
Just as I suspect a keyboad pounder>
My DD 97 D1 just broke the shifter cable after 190K. I bought the truck for 1500$ put 1000 into it. Its been solid for 80k. I beat this truck daily!
My F250's have eatn 2 e4ods 92 75K 96 86K. So what is your expert there Big Mike The Mod! What is your history with Rovers? Whats that? Sorry I can't hear you?
Just as I suspect a keyboad pounder>
Alaska Mike
ExPo Moderator/Eye Candy
You've been very fortunate, from what I've seen. Most likely it's that you've maintained your vehicles well and took care of things as they happened, instead of remaining ignorant or ignoring them. Not every owner is as proactive or attentive.
I've never been a fan of Ford. Don't like the way the vehicles are put together, especially when it comes time for the owner to do some real maintenance. Maybe that's me.
You're right, I don't have the same experience with Rovers that you do. I did what every semi-intelligent person would do before considering a vehicle- I did the research. I talked to owners, mechanics with experience on the platform, enthusiasts, poked around on the internet, reasearched parts availability, and, when possible, wrenched on vehicles belonging to friends. Pretty much all I could do without actually owning the platform.
I do own a pile of a '73 Series III that I'm rebuilding from the ground up. By the time I'm done, every part, bolt, seal, gasket... will have been touched/cleaned/modified/rebuilt/replaced by me. Is that knowledge on this particular vehicle deep enough for you?
Maybe the 18+ years I've owned, abused, repaired, and modified my CJ-5 would provide some sort of history with off-road vehicles as well. I haven't always lived in Alaska, having driven off-road from coast to coast over the years. Places you've probably heard of, and even more you probably haven't. I've primarily owned Jeeps (CJ-5/CJ-7/YJ/TJ/XJ), but for a brief time I did own an IH Scout 80.
I grew tired of the "hardcore" scene a decade or so ago, and my interest waned in building up a monster vehicle that required excessive effort to find obstacles that were challenging. I looked very seriously at Discoveries and RRCs after I rode in Scott Brady's DII in Arizona, feeling this was a direction that would be more intersting. That option ultimately fell through, but not for trying. I've always admired Series Rovers, and when one literally fell into my lap I went for it. I would have preferred to have a stock Rover, but this one was missing so many parts that I decided to do a hybridized version that was more reliable, economical, and modern than the original version. Beats sending one to the junkyard.
I may still end up with a Disco in the future, if the price and vehicle is right, but I will do it with eyes wide open. It's very easy to get caught up in the great things about Land Rover and ignore the downsides. If you think there are no downsides, well, I would have to respectfully disagree.
Watch the tone. Your contributions are welcome as long as you present them in a civil manner. Want to call me a poser? Fine, do it in a civil and adult manner. Please review the forum policies and try to follow them. If you don't like the way that this forum conducts itself, please refrain from visiting. Nobody is forcing you to be here.
Great ... End a post with a threat , that's a great way to moderate. I happen to know George13cux and have wheeled and wrenched with him a number of times. Also have rescued a few wheelers in peril with him. That's the part about the wheeling lifestyle that gets lost on the web.
Mike you can have what ever opinion you like about rovers, but when you take a stronghand approach like you have in the rover section you do this forum a disservice and the rover community one as well. Your opinions are very contrary to what I have seen to say the least and I have owned a a D1,DII and a RRC as well as a constant flow of them through my driveway working on them for years. Hate to tell you cowboy I know these trucks much better then your research allows you to.
The fact is that if all you judge things by is consumer reports or jd powers then a rover looks unreliable because those numbers all come from casual owners that tend to ignore issues until they go catostrophic. My favorite rover quote is "it leaked and it leaked until the engine failed" clearly that guy was never meant to be a rover owner.
I maintain my truck very well and it dosent fail me off road or on long trips. I have been known to punish my truck and often that is a long way from home yet I have never been stranded by my truck. Now let's not forget what you get with a rover as well. I wheel with 2 land cruisers all the time, both have as big a lift as mine all the candy and bigger tires yet my disco wheels circles around them on a regular basis. So does that count for anything? The slightly smaller much lighter nimble disco just walks through stuff that stops the cruisers and leaves them laying against trees off camber. I think there is alot more to a truck then simple relaibilty numbers and that's what brought me to land rovers. If you don't get that part or can't accept that Mike maybe you shouldent moderate the land rover section? There are all kinds of other sections here and this site seems to have almost as many mods as posters maybe we can get a moderator with some rover passion
Mike you can have what ever opinion you like about rovers, but when you take a stronghand approach like you have in the rover section you do this forum a disservice and the rover community one as well. Your opinions are very contrary to what I have seen to say the least and I have owned a a D1,DII and a RRC as well as a constant flow of them through my driveway working on them for years. Hate to tell you cowboy I know these trucks much better then your research allows you to.
The fact is that if all you judge things by is consumer reports or jd powers then a rover looks unreliable because those numbers all come from casual owners that tend to ignore issues until they go catostrophic. My favorite rover quote is "it leaked and it leaked until the engine failed" clearly that guy was never meant to be a rover owner.
I maintain my truck very well and it dosent fail me off road or on long trips. I have been known to punish my truck and often that is a long way from home yet I have never been stranded by my truck. Now let's not forget what you get with a rover as well. I wheel with 2 land cruisers all the time, both have as big a lift as mine all the candy and bigger tires yet my disco wheels circles around them on a regular basis. So does that count for anything? The slightly smaller much lighter nimble disco just walks through stuff that stops the cruisers and leaves them laying against trees off camber. I think there is alot more to a truck then simple relaibilty numbers and that's what brought me to land rovers. If you don't get that part or can't accept that Mike maybe you shouldent moderate the land rover section? There are all kinds of other sections here and this site seems to have almost as many mods as posters maybe we can get a moderator with some rover passion