wheel winch! Never saw this!

[Rover De Land]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JY4cKc4FKSM&NR=1"]YouTube - Going 4WD - The Bush Winch - Wheel Winch[/ame]

I like how "even a girl can do it:"

 

[alexrex20]

looks like a good way to bend a control arm, steering tie-rod, or bust a knuckle or ball joint.

 

[Doctor W]

looks like a good way to bend a control arm, steering tie-rod, or bust a knuckle or ball joint.

X2......although could possibly be useable and less risky used on rear wheels.

If you carry one of these it must be because you think you might need to use it where you're going......if you think you might need a winch where you're going then GET a WINCH!

 

[beags86]

that concept has been around since the 70s, (thats i know of), and old trick is to take and old rim, and make a mount to the rim on your truck, (kind of like a dually) then you cut a small hole in the center of the rim, and run a cable though, and as you turn the wheels the cable wraps around the rim and pulls you out.

i made this system for my 4 wheeler, and it did work, but not great, it wanted to pull it to the side since the cable was not hooked to the middle.

i don't know if i could say this would be good for a fullsize or not

beags86

 

[corax]

I don't really see how this would damage anything on the front end since the rear wheels are doing the pulling - that eyelet in the front is just to guide the rope onto the rear spool.

One major disadvantage in this system would be on an open diff where the side opposite with no traction just spins

Neat idea, but I'll agree that a winch is probably the best solution if you think you'll need it in the area you travel through

 

[herm]

those ground anchors look pretty good. would be usefull here where there are no trees and not many boulders. sage brush is not the best for an anchor point.

 

[MrBeast]

The problem is, what if your rig is sitting in a bad spot and the motor has quit.

IE a carb'd engine that is on too much of a slope.

Its a interesting concept, but to me it just seems occuard and clumsy.

 

[rezdiver]

I have them for my truck. they work fine and have not broken anything.

its not a winch to pull you over rock faces and up a tree, but its great for sand, snow, mud(as long as your not frame deep).


MrBeast:
if your motor has quit might as well start hiking if you cant get it going again, an electric winch is only gonna get you so far if that is the arguement.

Alexrex:
as has been mentioned the fronts shown in the video are just guides so the rope doesnt go under the front wheels, i have not used guides with mine, once in a while you roll over the rope.

here is a link to a post a while back regarding the same thing:

http://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=46264&highlight=wheel+winch

 

[alexrex20]

I don't really see how this would damage anything on the front end since the rear wheels are doing the pulling

Just because you can't grasp the concept of how this setup could fail, that doesn't mean the problem does not exist.

 

[rezdiver]

please enlighten us?

Just because you can't grasp the concept of how this setup could fail, that doesn't mean the problem does not exist.

 

[shortbus4x4]

Military has been using that idea for years. When I was in the service in the 90's I trained to recover Hummvees using that concept. My late 60's Jeep M-715's are equipped to do the same. I think I have seen some military Land Rovers that were set up for it too.

 

[corax]

I don't really see how this would damage anything on the front end since the rear wheels are doing the pulling

Just because you can't grasp the concept of how this setup could fail, that doesn't mean the problem does not exist.

Taking into account that internet posts can sound confrontational when they aren't, let me state for the record that I've been a gear head for over 15 years and recently spent 4 years as a Field Engineer for one of the major Asian car manufacturers. That said, I've also been involved in accident and component failure diagnosis.

I suppose on a vehicle that's barely suited for offroad duty, with undersized steering, ball joints, tie rods, etc, there is a chance of damage to the suspension. However driving down a severely rutted road with such a vehicle would damage it just as quick. Now look at the attachment of this specific system - it's six lug which is mostly seen on 1/2 ton or larger capacity vehicles. Looking at the specialized lug nuts, and without knowing what material they used or the tensile strength, I would wager that the machined end of the lug nuts would be the most likely point of failure in an extreme situation - say an off angle pull where the rope is pulling sideways on the guide and the forces on the lug nuts are tensile not shear. There's likely to more force and strain on the steering and suspension components from turning the wheel against a rock or hitting a curb.

Would I use this system? If it was available to me at a time when I needed it, sure. Would I buy it and carry it with me? Probably not, but that would be based on the space it takes up and not from any fear of using it. Again, this isn't a device to drag the truck up and over an obstacle, but rather something to get you through soft ground - different tools for different needs

 

[herm]

i think you could just about buy an electric winch and a bumper for the price of the kit and the acessories.

i think its a cool system and i would be interested in it if the price were much lower.

 

[Eric S.]

I would rather bring along a hand winch over that. It will not do much good without a locker as well. If you are stuck in snow, mud, or water is that the time you want to be removing the lug nuts and bolting on this thing?
Once I was stuck and managed to get some good traction under my front tires when the back was stuck in the mud. Guess what happened, Blew up a front u-joint. I can see the exact same thing happening with this system.
Something to keep in the back of your head in case you are in a pinch but otherwise there are much better alternatives.

 

[lil bawbee]

I would rather bring along a hand winch over that. It will not do much good without a locker as well. If you are stuck in snow, mud, or water is that the time you want to be removing the lug nuts and bolting on this thing?
Once I was stuck and managed to get some good traction under my front tires when the back was stuck in the mud. Guess what happened, Blew up a front u-joint. I can see the exact same thing happening with this system.
Something to keep in the back of your head in case you are in a pinch but otherwise there are much better alternatives.

watch the video you dont have to remove your lug nuts to put it on....