Which parabolic springs?

telwyn

Adventurer
I'm considering adding parabolic springs to my 82 Land Rover Lightweight. My current leaf springs look to be original and are quite rusty.

Read through as many posts as I could search, but still have a question about whether I should go with the Rocky Mountain parabolic springs through British Pacific or with the ones from either Rovers North or Atlantic British. Neither Rovers North or Atlantic British name the brand.

British Pacific's kit ends up at $826 and includes new U-bolts and the bushings are installed. The kit from Rovers North is $499. Atlantic British is $670.

I'm already running OME on the Rover.

Any guidance is greatly appreciated. Thanks!
 

Blair G

Adventurer
telwyn said:
Any guidance is greatly appreciated. Thanks!

I got a set from Great Basin Rovers. Not sure what kind they are but I would imagine all are pretty equal. Probably comes down to where you are and where they are shipping from. Rovers North had free shipping awhile ago. The ones from Great Basin had the option of greasable shackles. Not sure of the others.

Blair
 
Are RockyMountain still selling theirs?

Wait for it ... wait for it ...

Teri Ann will have a great explanation of her modification of the o.e. springs.

And, no, I'm not fiving her a hard time. Her mod is exactly why I still have an old set of springs in the garage. They'll get the TAW treatment when my current RM springs "go south".
 

TeriAnn

Explorer
Monkeyboy said:
Wait for it ... wait for it ...

Teri Ann will have a great explanation of her modification of the o.e. springs.

I take it I have been invited to provide information about an alternative to parabolic springs. Since the original question was about which brand Parabolic spring and not whether stay with leaf springs or use parabolic springs I was going to stay out of it. Sorry but I can't resist the invitation.

But first:

I only know of three Sources: British Steel, Rocky Mountain and Heystee Automotive (formally T.I. Consoul). Hopefully other folks can provide additional info about parabolic manufacturers and the products out there on the market.

Paul, owner of Heystee automotive was the first to offer Parabolic springs for Series Land Rovers. He started off with Santana springs and since then has worked with the company that manufactures Santana Parabolic springs to farther refine the spring design to work better with Land Rovers.

Wise owl started out in Parabolics as a distributor of Paul's springs but soon contacted a local Canadian spring manufacturer to make parabolic springs for him and started selling his own brand. Rumor has it Wise Owl may have switched to an offshore spring manufacturer. UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS RUMOR AND NOT FACT.

I'm not sure about British Steel, but I think they were persuaded to start manufacturing Parabolic springs by local UK wholesales who wanted to offer Parabolic springs they could source from a lower cost manufacturer. GUESS: Atlantic British buys a lot of stuff from Bearmach, so their springs are very likely made by British Steel. Given the price quoted for parabolics from Rover's North I would very tentatively guess they offer springs manufactured by British Steel as well. Mind you this is a W.A.G. and not based upon any data.

There may be more but these are the players that I am currently aware of. With my current limited knowledge of Parabolics, if I were to switch to parabolic springs I would use Heystee automotive springs.

That said I use sheets of ultra high density plastic between stock Land Rover spring leaves to reduce friction. The Ultra high density plastic was developed for industrial use where metal chutes slide against metal and has a low friction spec. I have more information about the plastic on a web page http://www.expeditionlandrover.info/leafSprings.htm

Recently I had a chance to so some non-scientific side by side comparison testing. I have a friend with a Land Rover Dormobile that has newish parabolic springs attached. My friend and I drove his Dormobile on the highway and along a track in my back yard, about 8 acres of hillside. Then we drove my Land Rover Dormobile along the same route and compared notes. I am over sprung with one ton springs (Much stiffer than should be there considering my loaded vehicle weight). The one ton springs have been under my Dormobile since 1996 and and sheets of plastic since 1998.

We could not distinguish between the rides of our Dormobiles, except the one with Parabolic springs swayed noticeably a little more on corners. I actually thought there would be more sway in the parabolics (Heystee Automotive parabolics) than there was based upon a much earlier experience with early prototype parabolics made for Wise Owl (before Wise Owl started offering them for sale). I also thought the parabolics would have given a softer ride than my one ton springs with plastic sheets. Near as we could tell except on curves the ride was indistinguishable.

Parabolic spring development has come a long way from the too soft prototype parabolic springs I was first exposed to.

ADDED LATER: I forgot to mention that both Parabolic springs and semi elliptical springs with plastic sheets between the leaves have less resistance to flexing than stock unaltered springs so in both cases you should change to stiffer shocks.
 
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James86004

Expedition Leader
TeriAnn, was that Linus's Dormobile you drove?

Bob Sharp tried several different spring types in his Dormobile. He is going to loan me some of the TI Console ones he rejected. Hopefully they will work out and you can see them on the Mojave Road.
 

telwyn

Adventurer
Thanks all and especially TeriAnn! I really appreciate the detailed response. Will let you all know what I decided to do and share my post-installation thoughts.
 

TeriAnn

Explorer
James86004 said:
TeriAnn, was that Linus's Dormobile you drove?

Yes, but Linus drove and I rode shot gun & visa versa.

James86004 said:
Bob Sharp tried several different spring types in his Dormobile. He is going to loan me some of the TI Console ones he rejected. Hopefully they will work out and you can see them on the Mojave Road.

Bob's 109 regular Dormobile should be several hundred pounds lighter in weight than yours. Hestyee Automotive as a range of Parabolics to choose from. With luck the ones Bob bought were too stiff for him and just right for you. Don't forget you will need stiffer shocks with the parabolics.

Paul drove a 106 stationwagon based Dormobile for a decade plus that also had a roof tent mounted on the front roof rack. Bob may have ordered a set of springs for a Dormobile without telling Paul that it was a regular.

It always helps to provide off road trim axle weights when ordering new springs.

Will you have them installed for the New Years Mojave trail trip? Try & get Bob to come along on the trip. I haven't seen him for almost 10 years and haven't seen his Dormobile conversion in person.
 

ShearPin

Adventurer
I switched to Parabolic springs 9 years ago as I recollect. I switched from standard 88" springs of unknown vintage that had sagged terribly, so no real comparison. At the time there wasn't a lot of info around on them. I had a friend who installed genuine parts springs two months prior and they'd sagged badly - I made the plunge.

I started with TI Consoul bought from a vendor out of Colorado - two leaf front and two with a helper rear - coupled with Old Man Emu shocks. I ran a lot of miles on them.... Not "hard core" wheeling but long loaded miles - three weeks fuel, food, parts, water, and clothing and camping gear for up to two. Served me well in places like Baja with long punishing stretches.

I had a front break 4 years ago 10 miles from my house - right at the spring bottom plate which I've heard is a common parabolic break. I drove it home, listing badly. I now run Rocky Mountains on the front with the TI's still in service in the rear. I've been very happy with both the ride and load carrying ability.... I don't think you could go wrong with either brand.

Regarding TeriAnn's low friction tape - this is also a good suggestion. I got the tip from her site and used the same part number and manufacturer she suggests. My brother put the tape in the spring pack of his 416 trailer. I haven't had the chance to strip, paint, and apply the tape to mine, yet... Side by side with the same tires (goodyear MTR) there is a "seat of the pants" difference in trailer feedback. You get a lot of feedback with a pintle right on a Rover crossmember - metal on metal on metal body mounts. I have since used this tape all over my Rover isolating metal on metal contact - body mounts, breakfast to wing mounts, etc. in my quest to limit galvanic corrosion, squeaks, and rattles.....

Hope this helps.... Thanks TeriAnn - your website is a great resource....

Henry
www.4x4freedom.com
 

James86004

Expedition Leader
TeriAnn said:
Bob's 109 regular Dormobile should be several hundred pounds lighter in weight than yours. Hestyee Automotive as a range of Parabolics to choose from. With luck the ones Bob bought were too stiff for him and just right for you. Don't forget you will need stiffer shocks with the parabolics.

I have been trying to get Bob to weigh his. His weight savings from the lack of extra doors may be negated by the really massive rear tire/gas can/hi-lift jack carrier he has on back. I am sure that thing contributes significantly to the moment of inertia about the yaw axis. He also has the rear fuel tank in addition to the twin underseat tanks. I also think he likes a more sportscar-like ride than I do.

When I sent my axle weights (but not the information that is was a Dormobile) to Rocky Mountain, they recommended the 3 leaf rears. By the way, it is 2160 lbs front, 2760 lbs rear, almost fully loaded. RM told me I could add the 4th leaf later if I was unhappy.

Will you have them installed for the New Years Mojave trail trip? Try & get Bob to come along on the trip. I haven't seen him for almost 10 years and haven't seen his Dormobile conversion in person.

Bob is coming over to help me install the springs this weekend. So, if I like them, you will get to see them. I have already invited him for New Years, and he says he can't go. I will work on him.
 

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