Why I'll never buy another Chevy!

[ellevehc86]

He’s right you know.

Although he went about it in a poor way.

If you want to make YouTube videos, do it. But I’d suggest you post them to Facebook with links to your other social media platforms. Where that sort of thing is welcome and openly shared. This forum is not the place to peddle your channel.

Now if you want to expand on your video in more detail here and have an actual discussion with other members, I’m all for it.

Just don’t throw your video out here with the hey come watch vibe.

It just seems desperate.




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I dont see how there is a difference about a forum about overlanding, versus a facebook page about Overlanding. I am not here to cause I problem. I thought I would input a discussion about, what I thought was an interesting topic. To call it peddling seems a bit harsh. But you know, judging by the overall hostile tones of the comments I have received in this topic, I believe you are right. I think I have misjudged this forum which is sad because I have been a member for quite some time. I mistook this for a forum that was a supportive community. I don't know that this is the case.

 

[ellevehc86]

He’s right you know.

Although he went about it in a poor way.

If you want to make YouTube videos, do it. But I’d suggest you post them to Facebook with links to your other social media platforms. Where that sort of thing is welcome and openly shared. This forum is not the place to peddle your channel.

Now if you want to expand on your video in more detail here and have an actual discussion with other members, I’m all for it.

Just don’t throw your video out here with the hey come watch vibe.

It just seems desperate.




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And I do believe that I am exactly trying to do that. I am trying to hear others opinions on the topic and expand on it.

 

[ttengineer]

I dont see how there is a difference about a forum about overlanding, versus a facebook page about Overlanding. I am not here to cause I problem. I thought I would input a discussion about, what I thought was an interesting topic. To call it peddling seems a bit harsh. But you know, judging by the overall hostile tones of the comments I have received in this topic, I believe you are right. I think I have misjudged this forum which is sad because I have been a member for quite some time. I mistook this for a forum that was a supportive community. I don't know that this is the case.

You’re just approaching it the wrong way.

Don’t just slap your video on a topic and let it do the talking. You have to engage the audience in the forum.

Read this thread to see how it’s done. And this guy is peddling his patreon at the end too.

https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink?sh...l,-Tahoe-National-Forest.199044/&share_type=t




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[zoomad75]

Blah blah blah...I hate Chevy, I love my Toyota. Contradictions abound. Hate GM IFS, but loves the IFS in a Yota? Damn dude, they are extremely similar setups with coil over shocks on the front. I had to stop watching halfway through.

You do have your right to your opinion for sure. But bitching that GM left the market for a true off-road offering when the ZR2 Colorado has been out for a year just shows you didn't look past your nose for anything that GM might offer.

Innovation? Since you brag about a Dodge Hellcat or Demon being innovative, let's break that down a little. The Challenger/Charger platform originally came out of the now-defunct marriage of Daimler and Chrysler and was largely based on an existing Mercedes platform at the time. Way to be innovative and milk that design for almost a decade now. Sure the Engine is impressive, but it's by no means hugely innovative. It's a 6.4 V8 with the cam in the block, no variable valve timing or anything else. Just slam the biggest blower they can make fit under the hood and build the rest of it to live under the stress. Seems like GM and Ford both have Big supercharged V8's too so again how is the hellcat innovative besides just having more horsepower? I love the fact that people gush over the hellcat powered rides and yet they are still crazy overwieght cars that fall behind when the track has turns in it. Even a 650hp Z06 Corvette can run circles around a hellcat powered anything on a road course and it's giving up 57 hp to a hellcat. But then again the advantage might come from an all aluminum frame, overall lighter more technically advanced vehicle to start with. Still I'm kinda lost how claiming Dodge is innovative with the cars crosses over to overlanding in general.

You brag how ************** a Durango is with a Hemi is and then complain about lack of support for your Silverado for overlanding parts. I've yet to see a current generation Durango on any off road trail I've been on in Colorado. I don't think there is any overland style suppliers for a current gen Durango either.

Bragging you hate Chevy and going on and on about it and then posting it in a domestic focused section of this forum does somewhat seem like you are trolling. But you did dupe me into watching at least half of your video so kudo's for the clickbait.

 

[ellevehc86]

You’re just approaching it the wrong way.

Don’t just slap your video on a topic and let it do the talking. You have to engage the audience in the forum.

Read this thread to see how it’s done. And this guy is peddling his patreon at the end too.

https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink?share_fid=7335&share_tid=199044&url=https://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/index.php?threads/Power-Wagon-on-Snake-Lake-Trail,-Tahoe-National-Forest.199044/&share_type=t




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Well, I do appreciate the input. My view is the video is the opener. And there was a descriptor there to open up a discussion. I don't know what more is needed to start a topic. Yes, it is a YouTube video. I am not seeing this difference between an article written with pictures versus a YouTube video produced? I do appreciate it. It is a simple video I made, among the many others I have posted here in a general thread about Domestic vehicles. I am only looking for other opinions.

 

[ellevehc86]

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Blah blah blah...I hate Chevy, I love my Toyota. Contradictions abound. Hate GM IFS, but loves the IFS in a Yota? Damn dude, they are extremely similar setups with coil over shocks on the front. I had to stop watching halfway through.

You do have your right to your opinion for sure. But bitching that GM left the market for a true off-road offering when the ZR2 Colorado has been out for a year just shows you didn't look past your nose for anything that GM might offer.

Innovation? Since you brag about a Dodge Hellcat or Demon being innovative, let's break that down a little. The Challenger/Charger platform originally came out of the now-defunct marriage of Daimler and Chrysler and was largely based on an existing Mercedes platform at the time. Way to be innovative and milk that design for almost a decade now. Sure the Engine is impressive, but it's by no means hugely innovative. It's a 6.4 V8 with the cam in the block, no variable valve timing or anything else. Just slam the biggest blower they can make fit under the hood and build the rest of it to live under the stress. Seems like GM and Ford both have Big supercharged V8's too so again how is the hellcat innovative besides just having more horsepower? I love the fact that people gush over the hellcat powered rides and yet they are still crazy overwieght cars that fall behind when the track has turns in it. Even a 650hp Z06 Corvette can run circles around a hellcat powered anything on a road course and it's giving up 57 hp to a hellcat. But then again the advantage might come from an all aluminum frame, overall lighter more technically advanced vehicle to start with. Still I'm kinda lost how claiming Dodge is innovative with the cars crosses over to overlanding in general.

You brag how ************** a Durango is with a Hemi is and then complain about lack of support for your Silverado for overlanding parts. I've yet to see a current generation Durango on any off road trail I've been on in Colorado. I don't think there is any overland style suppliers for a current gen Durango either.

Bragging you hate Chevy and going on and on about it and then posting it in a domestic focused section of this forum does somewhat seem like you are trolling. But you did dupe me into watching at least half of your video so kudo's for the clickbait.

Well, I never said I hate Chevy. In fact, it is the complete opposite. I LOVE my Chevy. Ill have my truck forever. I said I am disappointed in Chevy. In my opinion, I don't think Chevy has simply stepped up to the plate like the other manufacturers. I think the Dodge Demon is a bold statement by a car manufacture. I compared the Durango. I was in one and floored by the LED gauges. This was an older model and at the time, no current GM model was doing the same. And innovation applies to over landing in a lot of ways. It seems like GM always has played it safe versus talking chances like other manufactures. I keep bringing up the Raptor. Is it a great truck? No. But it's different and bold. and I assure you, I am NOT a Ford guy. RR shocks, big horsepower, aggressive design, etc. What is GM's version? Trust me, I dont hate GM in the slightest. I want GM to build something better than what I own so I can go back to them.

 

[zoomad75]

Well, I never said I hate Chevy. In fact, it is the complete opposite. I LOVE my Chevy. Ill have my truck forever. I said I am disappointed in Chevy. In my opinion, I don't think Chevy has simply stepped up to the plate like the other manufacturers. I think the Dodge Demon is a bold statement by a car manufacture. I compared the Durango. I was in one and floored by the LED gauges. This was an older model and at the time, no current GM model was doing the same. And innovation applies to over landing in a lot of ways. It seems like GM always has played it safe versus talking chances like other manufactures. I keep bringing up the Raptor. Is it a great truck? No. But it's different and bold. and I assure you, I am NOT a Ford guy. RR shocks, big horsepower, aggressive design, etc. What is GM's version? Trust me, I dont hate GM in the slightest. I want GM to build something better than what I own so I can go back to them.

The DSSV spool valve shocks that the ZR2 have must have been overlooked. Granted they aren't remote resi Fox units that everybody knows, but they are trick hardware in their own right. GM's got full digital gauge packages in trucks and cars. Pretty cool reconfigurable setups too. GM took a big chance to stuff a little diesel in the Colorado pickup. While Toyota offers a diesel in other markets they have yet to bring one to the US market.

I don't disagree the Demon is a bold statement. But it's a limited production vehicle that the Dodge marketing team has done quite well to beat their own drum over. They gushed over the fact that the NHRA banned the vehicle from competition, but didn't really go into the detail why it got banned. Anybody that pulls the NHRA rulebook can find that a 9-second capable car has a requirement of certain safety equipment like a rollcage that Dodge was unwilling to offer. So is it innovative that Dodge sells a car capable of 9 second quarter mile times and ignores the idea that something that fast should probably have a cage in it? The root of that car is Bragging rights first. Cashing in is second. One of the best ways the car companies have found to make money is to ramp up special editions near the end of a products life cycle. Let's not forget they are charging close to $100k for a de-contented car, that somehow still isn't a lightweight. Porsche does this too with the 911, but they all do it. It's not innovative, but standard operating procedure. The Dodge marketing team is brilliant how they keep the interest up on a platform that is so old in comparison to the GM and Ford offerings.

Yes, the Raptor is a wicked truck. I'm pretty smitten by the Power Wagon too. Outside of the e-locker and external reservoir rear shocks on the Rebel those trucks are pretty similar to a Z71 or the upcoming Trailboss Silverado, TRD Tundra or FX4 F150.

 

[ellevehc86]

All great points! I just ultimately wish they would give us more. And this is in context to the past. I remember seeing my first Raptor in like 2011 and thinking to myself "when is Chevy gonna do that?". Here we are 7 years later and it's finally getting addressed. Don't get me wrong, I am glad about this. I just don't think it's gonna get me back to buying a Chevy. I just think they could release something that was a true competitor for the off road market (Colorado aside). I just don't see it right now. But imagine if they re released the K5! Or hell, even your truck re released! Btw, that is a ************** rig!!! But that is what I would love to see! Something like a K10, solid axles, lockers, LS engine. A true Jeep killer package.

 

[ellevehc86]

The DSSV spool valve shocks that the ZR2 have must have been overlooked. Granted they aren't remote resi Fox units that everybody knows, but they are trick hardware in their own right. GM's got full digital gauge packages in trucks and cars. Pretty cool reconfigurable setups too. GM took a big chance to stuff a little diesel in the Colorado pickup. While Toyota offers a diesel in other markets they have yet to bring one to the US market.

I don't disagree the Demon is a bold statement. But it's a limited production vehicle that the Dodge marketing team has done quite well to beat their own drum over. They gushed over the fact that the NHRA banned the vehicle from competition, but didn't really go into the detail why it got banned. Anybody that pulls the NHRA rulebook can find that a 9-second capable car has a requirement of certain safety equipment like a rollcage that Dodge was unwilling to offer. So is it innovative that Dodge sells a car capable of 9 second quarter mile times and ignores the idea that something that fast should probably have a cage in it? The root of that car is Bragging rights first. Cashing in is second. One of the best ways the car companies have found to make money is to ramp up special editions near the end of a products life cycle. Let's not forget they are charging close to $100k for a de-contented car, that somehow still isn't a lightweight. Porsche does this too with the 911, but they all do it. It's not innovative, but standard operating procedure. The Dodge marketing team is brilliant how they keep the interest up on a platform that is so old in comparison to the GM and Ford offerings.

Yes, the Raptor is a wicked truck. I'm pretty smitten by the Power Wagon too. Outside of the e-locker and external reservoir rear shocks on the Rebel those trucks are pretty similar to a Z71 or the upcoming Trailboss Silverado, TRD Tundra or FX4 F150.

And I think you make a brilliant statement about marketing! A few people said that our overlanding niche is too small. But obviously it's a growing market. GM may not see a huge market currently, but with the right product, they could grow the market with marketing support like the Raptor or Power Wagon, etc.

 

[Tex68w]

I am no fan of GM, I give the ZR2 a pass because it earned it, but I still poo on GM. So in that regard I will give you some shine since everyone else is flexing on you lol. You wanted feedback and discussion and you got it in spades. I prefer blunt honesty so I see no issue with what transpired here. Keep working at it and keep your chin up, this is a good community full of knowledge and decent folks.

 

[ellevehc86]

I am no fan of GM, I give the ZR2 a pass because it earned it, but I still poo on GM. So in that regard I will give you some shine since everyone else is flexing on you lol. You wanted feedback and discussion and you got it in spades. I prefer blunt honesty so I see no issue with what transpired here. Keep working at it and keep your chin up, this is a good community full of knowledge and decent folks.

Lol, ty sir! I do appreciate it. And very true! I did want to hear others opinions!

 

[ellevehc86]

I am no fan of GM, I give the ZR2 a pass because it earned it, but I still poo on GM. So in that regard I will give you some shine since everyone else is flexing on you lol. You wanted feedback and discussion and you got it in spades. I prefer blunt honesty so I see no issue with what transpired here. Keep working at it and keep your chin up, this is a good community full of knowledge and decent folks.

FYI, I wanted a black TRDPro soooo bad. I am jealous man! That looks sick!

 

[zoomad75]

Thanks on the compliment on my ride. It suits my needs well. I'm a squarebody nerd and don't want to dive into something newer. Other than robbing newer drivetrain like we've done with mine.

The problem here is GM or any other domestic company for that matter is they are marketing trucks for people that should be driving cars. As long as that happens, 1/2 ton trucks will continue to have IFS and cushy ride quality. Add in relatively cheap fuel (in comparison to other countries) and people keep buying 1/2 ton trucks of any brand. Why do you think Toyota and Nissan came out with true full-size truck offerings? It's a huge market for a simple product that is cheap to design and build. Making a comparison between a Jeep Wrangler and a full-size truck is apples to oranges. The Wrangler is a dedicated off-road rig that is built to do that one thing. The market for those is small compared to the full-size market where the trucks have to meet multiple needs. Towing, cargo hauling etc and still have a somewhat compliant ride. Nobody is towing a fully loaded travel trailer with a Wrangler that is within the weight capacity of a 1/2 ton truck.

So don't hold your breath for a solid axle half ton truck of any brand coming out anytime soon. If that's what you want you either go buy a new RAM 2500 (Power Wagon or other) or F250. GM's #2 market share in the truck market is proof enough that the average truck buyer doesn't have a problem with IFS on 1500, 2500 or 3500 varieties. Overlanders or off road types are not the average truck buyer. Your only other option as a Chevy guy is to find a Squarebody or earlier truck you like and break out the tools and get your hands dirty. Of which, no overlanding gear is built for either. That won't stop me though.

 

[ellevehc86]

Thanks on the compliment on my ride. It suits my needs well. I'm a squarebody nerd and don't want to dive into something newer. Other than robbing newer drivetrain like we've done with mine.

The problem here is GM or any other domestic company for that matter is they are marketing trucks for people that should be driving cars. As long as that happens, 1/2 ton trucks will continue to have IFS and cushy ride quality. Add in relatively cheap fuel (in comparison to other countries) and people keep buying 1/2 ton trucks of any brand. Why do you think Toyota and Nissan came out with true full-size truck offerings? It's a huge market for a simple product that is cheap to design and build. Making a comparison between a Jeep Wrangler and a full-size truck is apples to oranges. The Wrangler is a dedicated off-road rig that is built to do that one thing. The market for those is small compared to the full-size market where the trucks have to meet multiple needs. Towing, cargo hauling etc and still have a somewhat compliant ride. Nobody is towing a fully loaded travel trailer with a Wrangler that is within the weight capacity of a 1/2 ton truck.

So don't hold your breath for a solid axle half ton truck of any brand coming out anytime soon. If that's what you want you either go buy a new RAM 2500 (Power Wagon or other) or F250. GM's #2 market share in the truck market is proof enough that the average truck buyer doesn't have a problem with IFS on 1500, 2500 or 3500 varieties. Overlanders or off road types are not the average truck buyer. Your only other option as a Chevy guy is to find a Squarebody or earlier truck you like and break out the tools and get your hands dirty. Of which, no overlanding gear is built for either. That won't stop me though.

Oh I would totally agree! I get that as well. We will never see a stout solid axle truck in a small package that is a Jeep comparison. But it would be nice for the off-road enthusiasts. Is that feasible? Oh no. I get that as well. But there is at lease an opening in the market with a competitor to the Bronco being a solid axle K5. Now I am sure I am just day dreaming, and the Bronco is still "consumered" down, but still. And I will pass on that! lol. I did a solid axle swap on my 1994 and it was simply a nightmare. I made plenty of mistakes on that one. I learned a hard lesson. Start with a foundation at least close to what you like or you are asking for a lot of pain.

 

[Smileyshaun]