Why you don't do cheap HID retrofits

tremors834

Adventurer
I'm not a big fan of HID's for on road vehicles. Out of curiosity, I venture to guess that a higher quality HID kit would not be an issue? Maybe it was more of an issue with the Lexus CANbus? Perhaps not enough shielding....
 

Hilldweller

SE Expedition Society
I'm not a big fan of HID's for on road vehicles. Out of curiosity, I venture to guess that a higher quality HID kit would not be an issue? Maybe it was more of an issue with the Lexus CANbus? Perhaps not enough shielding....
The high quality unit would scare away most with it's price...
But would likely work.

Given the state of affairs with Toyota's computerized systems right now, would you want to chance it?
 

goodtimes

Expedition Poseur
The high quality unit would scare away most with it's price...
But would likely work.

I'm curious (serious question here . . . ), why would the 'high quality' unit work any better? If it really is a EMI/RFI problem (as suspected in the linked thread), it is more a matter of placement & possibly shielding, not one of poor quality.

Of the corners that are cut on the cheaper unit, is one of them shielding?
 

R_Lefebvre

Expedition Leader
Well hang on a sec now... It doesn't sound like this has been proven? It says the dealership blamed it on his HID's, but then replaced something, and the problem has not returned even though he still has the HID's? I'm skeptical because it's a classic move for a dealership to blame problems on non-related aftermarket parts. ie: alternator dies, and the dealership blames it on an aftermarket exhaust...

This is a problem with the current safety recall rules. The government isn't terribly involved at the ground level. The automakers are required to report complaints to the NHTSA. However, if the automaker can obfuscate the issue, deny claims, pass blame, etc... it's not logged as a complaint.
 
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Hilldweller

SE Expedition Society
I find it plausible.
My MINI (and many R56 MINIs) has a glitch in the canbus that tells it to open the boot at random intervals as well as disable the passenger airbag (with a passenger riding).
MINI/BMW-USA tried to find the root of the problem for 13 months and then threw their hands in the air and refused to test-drive it further until I remove my "dangerous non-OE wheels and tires".

Most of the HID "kits" on the market right now are Asian-sourced counterfeits and knock-offs; who knows what one of those ballasts would do to a sensitive canbus...
 

tremors834

Adventurer
Well hang on a sec now... It doesn't sound like this has been proven? It says the dealership blamed it on his HID's, but then replaced something, and the problem has not returned even though he still has the HID's? QUOTE]


What I understood was that the problem has not returned because he hasn't set the lights to "auto" since having it corrected the 2nd time around......
 

R_Lefebvre

Expedition Leader
I find it plausible.
My MINI (and many R56 MINIs) has a glitch in the canbus that tells it to open the boot at random intervals as well as disable the passenger airbag (with a passenger riding).
MINI/BMW-USA tried to find the root of the problem for 13 months and then threw their hands in the air and refused to test-drive it further until I remove my "dangerous non-OE wheels and tires".

Most of the HID "kits" on the market right now are Asian-sourced counterfeits and knock-offs; who knows what one of those ballasts would do to a sensitive canbus...

Oh, I think it's plausible. I'm just skeptical.

See, you even reinforce my case. Your problem, which is a serious problem if the passenger airbag is being disabled, is probably not logged in the Mini system yet. Therefore, NHTSA does not yet know about it. Therefore, it doesn't exist. Now, I'm not saying it's a conspiracy per se... but it sure is a convenient situation.

Notice how Toyota attempted to ignore The Woz's complaint about cruise control on his Prius. How many other people have the same problem, but they just blow it off. They are incentivized to ignore problems. Only when the issue is forced into public view (such as a famous CEO going to the media, or a driver making a cell phone call before crashing...) do they acknowledge it.

What I understood was that the problem has not returned because he hasn't set the lights to "auto" since having it corrected the 2nd time around......

I wonder what possible difference that could make? I'm sure he has used the lights since then, just not in auto mode. If the issue is some kind of interference between the headlight ballast and the steering system... what difference does it make if the switch is in the auto or on mode?
 

19psi

The Devil Made Me
lucky for me i don't have sensitive electronics like that, so my HID kits work just fine with the rest of the vehicle.
 

Token

Explorer
hhmmm.. So the right lights, installed in the right vehicle in the right place could act like a NOS shot if you could get 'em to to cause the right interference with the TPS..
 

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