punisher1130
Adventurer
On that argument that outcome would happen anywhere on the rigging line, wouldn't just be the stretch strap.
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On that argument that outcome would happen anywhere on the rigging line, wouldn't just be the stretch strap.
greengreer
Adventurer
TeriAnn:
I wholeheartedly agree on 4:1 being a much better wll, I was using 2:1 in my example because that's what most manufacturers seem to use on recovery equipment.
Very interesting that you worked at UL. I wonder why the recreational recovery industry products is not regulated.
I work as an arborist. Our minimum wll is 5:1. Generally I try ro rig dynamically 10:1 or better. Our climbing ropes must meet a minimum of 5400lbs and all life support pieces must be rated at at least 5000lbs. At most climbers being under 200lbs equipped, that's like a 25:1 wll.
I have lots of used roped for tow lines, etc. I use 1/2" stable braid alot (because I have alot of it). It's rated at 10,400lbs mbs spliced. I have yet to brake a piece pulling my 1/2 or one ton truck out. Its amazing how strong that stuff is. I also have a few lengths of 7/8" stablebraid that iirc is rated around 30k lbs. I use it for a tow line when a little extra jolt is in order to get unstuck. I would like to know what it would take to break it.
I wholeheartedly agree on 4:1 being a much better wll, I was using 2:1 in my example because that's what most manufacturers seem to use on recovery equipment.
Very interesting that you worked at UL. I wonder why the recreational recovery industry products is not regulated.
I work as an arborist. Our minimum wll is 5:1. Generally I try ro rig dynamically 10:1 or better. Our climbing ropes must meet a minimum of 5400lbs and all life support pieces must be rated at at least 5000lbs. At most climbers being under 200lbs equipped, that's like a 25:1 wll.
I have lots of used roped for tow lines, etc. I use 1/2" stable braid alot (because I have alot of it). It's rated at 10,400lbs mbs spliced. I have yet to brake a piece pulling my 1/2 or one ton truck out. Its amazing how strong that stuff is. I also have a few lengths of 7/8" stablebraid that iirc is rated around 30k lbs. I use it for a tow line when a little extra jolt is in order to get unstuck. I would like to know what it would take to break it.
verdesardog
Explorer
Exactly, if ANYTHING on the rigging breaks it's slingshot time. I thought that's what I said.
punisher1130
Adventurer
You did that is my fault I misread what you said. I do know to have weight on a steel line for safety or use the synthetic rope that has been tested to not whip around.
MOguy
Explorer
I had a rougher time winching out a 2,000 lb tractor than I have about anything else. My winch is a Warn HS9500i which is a very good winch. The more capable your vehicle is the worse it can get stuck. It won't take nearly as much to get a two wheel drive car with an open diff stuck and then unstuck as it might for a 4 wheel drive truck with larger tires and front and rear lockers, even if they weigh the same.
You have to consider more than just the weight of the vehicle when it comes to recovery. It might take more to recover the same vehicle if you need to pull it up hill versus down a hill, over a big rock versus sand, or slick mud versus deep mud.
You have to consider more than just the weight of the vehicle when it comes to recovery. It might take more to recover the same vehicle if you need to pull it up hill versus down a hill, over a big rock versus sand, or slick mud versus deep mud.
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punisher1130
Adventurer
True, but does that still come into account as strong if I am driving the truck while running the winch to get out of said situation?
MOguy
Explorer
Of course, why wouldn't it? Stuck is stuck. If it is you that is stuck you will also have to figure in your anchor point.
punisher1130
Adventurer
Ok I was making sure, I just read that a lot of people winch there rigs without driving them to get unstuck, that didn't make sense to me but since I am just a newbie I thought I'd ask to confirm. If I have to winch out of any spot I wont let the winch do all the work, I'd be on the throttle as the winch just assist's the truck out, and for a anchor point I figure a nice big tree will work perfectly, I don't think I'd need a land anchor in a mountainous but I could be wrong on that.
Would you agree that a 8k winch is enough to work in those tough situations or should I go to a higher pull weight?
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MOguy
Explorer
I would at least 2Xs the weight.
punisher1130
Adventurer
2x would be a 10k winch for my truck.
MOguy
Explorer
My jeep weighs less than 4k and i have a 9500lb winch.
punisher1130
Adventurer
I am compensating for a fully loaded truck and estimating where and how I am stuck, I thought a 10k winch was over kill and figured a winch running between 8-9500lbs would be enough but I could be wrong.
MOguy
Explorer
Having more than needed won't hurt you, having not enough would suck.
punisher1130
Adventurer
I know, I just wasn't sure if a 10k winch was over kill or not, that's why I made this post.
