Your experience can help me decide...

draghkar

New member
OK, to preface this... my wife, son, the two dogs and I went to Yellowstone before Memorial Day. We had a great time, and realized we'd like to do things like this more often.

We drove a '95 Ford Conversion my dad had picked up a last year, but it had some problems (155k on the 302). I did a bunch of cleaning, some electrical work, a tune up, brakes, and some other things to get it good for the trip. It tossed a tranny code and an engine code during the 2k trip, but overall it did pretty well. We noted there wasn't enough power. We hit some snow along the Continental Divide, but traction wasn't an issue.

So, we decided we'd like something similar, but newer (and no, the '95 is not an option). The whole conversion thing is nice but dated. We'd like the comfort with more utility. We slept in the rig one night and it worked OK, but could definitely use some tweaks.

We like the idea of 4x4 as well. It'd be nice to be able to head off road. We'd also be traveling in the winter, so that would help, but a good set of studded tires might be all I need.

I'm not willing to pay the $$ for a Sportsmobile new, and even the used ones aren't depreciating (at least according to the sellers) like other automobiles. We looked at a 2wd Roadtrek, but it's not what I would consider rugged enough.

It would be used mostly for weekenders, with maybe a week or two during the year. Here is the rig I'd like to end up with (I can take some time to get there)
  • Under 100k mileage
  • 4x4
  • High or pop top
  • SMB style interior
  • Initial outlay for the project under $15k, total down the road maybe around $30k

I see my options as follows:

  • Pick up an existing 4x4 passenger conversion (this would be my favorite, as it could be used from day 1) and start modifying.
  • Pick up an existing 4x4 cargo conversion and start modifying.
  • Pick up a cargo/passenger van and just deal with the 2wd and convert the front axle down the road (if I determine if it would be needed)

I have the skill and the time to put something together, but with some limitations. I no longer have a full shop with engine stand, cherry picker, and space for spare vehicles, so I'd prefer something that would not need immediate engine work. It pretty much rules out a DIY 4x4 conversion or engine swap. I do have a small shop where I can do cabinet work or other stuff that doesn't require a vehicle inside.

I've been scouring craiglook for 4x4 vans, but they seem to be very high mileage, very expensive or too far from the Pacific Northwest (and i don't mind traveling). I have a friend who has an in with a wholesaler... I might get into the last option inexepensively.

If you've hung in this far, I appreciate your reading my longwinded note. Hopefully some of your experiences will help me determine a course of action.

Also wonderin' how you put a value on a 4x4 conversion? I figure +$7k on top of NADA, but if y'all got a better idea, I'd love to hear it.
 
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Ironduff

Observer
You said the RT wasn't rugged enough... having owned two, I'll pretty much agree, tho' the older Dodge RT's did at least have pretty good ground clearance. You might look for one to convert to 4x4. It's already got your 'creature comforts' done and done well. But be aware that it'd have some limitations on torsional rigidity, since they cut the original rood off, and take a chunk out of the floor. There are also some other B's on the old Dodge chassis with full factory metal floor.

For me, the answer has been a Tiger CX www.tigermotorhomes.com, but you'd likely want to get an extended cab, since the coach area is maybe a little smaller than a van's. There's also an owner's group on Yahoo that keeps a 'used Tiger for sale' list.

Jim H.
 

blackheart

New member
The whole 4x4 off road capable RV is a joke IMO

Not many will take one that far off road and they aren't built for it. In snow any capable driver can cope in 2 wheel drive with a rv as they weigh a ton ( rerally more than that )

Paying for a 4x4 conversion is nonsense IMO
 

SilverBullet

Explorer
Sportsmobile's web site had some good deals last on looked on used 4x4 vans. Just a thought. It is similar to yoru conversion now, but the pot top is a nice option I think.
 

Saline

Adventurer
The whole 4x4 off road capable RV is a joke IMO

Not many will take one that far off road and they aren't built for it. In snow any capable driver can cope in 2 wheel drive with a rv as they weigh a ton ( rerally more than that )

Paying for a 4x4 conversion is nonsense IMO

I disagree. But hey that's life. I have taken my SMB most places that my modified Xterra has been without issue. The SMB is built enough to go wherever I point the thing and then continues on the adventure for another 500 miles without a fuel stop.
 
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ujoint

Supporting Sponsor
I get asked similar questions almost daily, so here's my input.....

Decide what body style & engine you want first. Reg Body, EB, gas, diesel, etc. Then find the van that's in your price range & meets your needs, whether it's 2wd or 4wd.
 

trailsurfer

Explorer
The whole 4x4 off road capable RV is a joke IMO

Not many will take one that far off road and they aren't built for it. In snow any capable driver can cope in 2 wheel drive with a rv as they weigh a ton ( rerally more than that )

Paying for a 4x4 conversion is nonsense IMO


Come for a ride with me. Your opinion will change fast.
 

draghkar

New member
Blackheart: I totally agree, but you got some brass ones saying so here :D I think I needed someone to just say it.

Ujoint: excellent advice! My head has been spinning looking at what's available and what I want to spend.

Trailsurfer: I have no doubt, i would go into panic attacks thinking about the cost of your smb on anything but the easiest trail!
 

JMyerz

Adventurer
I'm in your exact shoes...

I just bought a 2006 Chevy Express AWD with 65k for $10k. Its the fully loaded passanger van too so its super comfy. Stock, the AWD works really really well ( it does have the factory locker) so well I've already gotten myself to places a full size shouldn't be...

I plan on doing the weekender type interior and the rough costs are:

$600 for a bench / bed combo
$200 for rear bed extension / storage
$300 for flat floor and rubber flooring
$5k for pop-top from SMB

From my research so far, a chevy Avalanche lift kit will bolt right up and I plan on a slight lift to clear some 32's. I'm not looking for a full offroad warrior, just something well prepare that in all reality will end up on the FWY 85% of the time and sand the other 15%.

J
 

Zaskoda

Observer
I'll offer what I've learned. Last fall I was in a similar boat and feel like my purchase decision was a poor one. Basically, I wanted a 4x4 camper van I could spend a lot of time traveling to remote places in, both winter and summer.

What I Did: I purchased an older 4x4 van. The van, now named Polar Bear, was nearly empty aside from some trim and two bench seats. It had a lot of mechanical issues, considerably more than I understood it to have when I purchased it. I picked the van up for $3250 and have probably invested thousands of dollars in repairs. My grand total is probably floating around $17k now and I have not started the interior build. You can read about my build here:

http://sportsmobileforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=4143

Note that the tab I've accumulated includes new paint and wheels which comes to nearly $3k alone. Additionally, I had to have extensive work done to the drive train which killed another $4k or so. Then there were odds and ends including the a/c, new radiator, windshield (was incorrectly installed) and more.

The lesson: Once I was invested to a certain point, I couldn't get my money back out of the van by selling it... so I was sorta locked into the path. I thought I could save money with this route, but I bought a money pit.

What I should have done... If I had it all to do over, I would buy a completed Sportsmobile 2wd and have it converted to 4x4. This seemed too pricey at first, at around $12,000 for the conversion from a local shop. In retrospect, I could have picked up a fairly decent rig for around $8k and converted it for a total of about $20k.

The upside to this approach is the fact that you end up with half your drive train being brand new and under warranty. Additionally, my dated 4x4 conversion will never perform remotely close to the newer conversions. Mine is also full of custom fabricated components that will be considerably more expensive to repair. Quad van, in particular, uses a lot of stock parts - making future repairs a lot less painful.

Building the "camper" part: Doing the camper build out is extremely time consuming. I've done a few things such as building door panels, replacing the stereo system, installing a rotating seat, etc. I've done a lot of research on electrical systems, fresh water systems, propane systems, waste storage, etc. New parts get expensive fast. I think finding a completed camper conversion would be a huge time and money saver.

That is, of course, unless you really want to do the build yourself. In this case, especially if you have the time, you can have it however you want it. I'm hoping to take full advantage of this and do a relatively unique design inside. I'm really looking forward to this part of the project. If the idea excites you, then I'm betting it will be worth the time and money.

I come from a background of do-it-yourselfers. My family built our home from the ground up in 1990. We started with a wooded patch of 17 acres and build everything but the cabinets ourselves. It took us 7 months of hard work to get "in the dry". Every time I visit the house (which my parents sold just weeks ago) I remember what went into it. It's kind of a nice feeling.

I know I'm a bit all over the place, hopefully something in there will be helpful.
 

shawn_nj

Observer
I was in the same boat a few month back. I knew I needed a van to fit my jetskis and dirt bikes, but was not 100% convinced I needed 4x4. Ended up just ordering a new 4x4 extended cargo..... and after a few trips driving over deep sand beaches, I am really glad I did for my jetski riding alone. But I agree with the other posters, the vans suspension does not handle rough offroad jeep trails very good... without feeling like your teeth are being knocked out. If you have a specific reason you NEED 4x4, ie deep snow, beach driving, ect then go for it.
 
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Saline

Adventurer
Blackheart: I totally agree, but you got some brass ones saying so here :D I think I needed someone to just say it.

Ujoint: excellent advice! My head has been spinning looking at what's available and what I want to spend.

Trailsurfer: I have no doubt, i would go into panic attacks thinking about the cost of your smb on anything but the easiest trail!

That's what insurance is for.
 

JMyerz

Adventurer
Great deal, and maybe a quite good solution for the OP... the AWD Express is only available as a 1/2 ton, and no low range. I have seen t-case swaps to add that if desired.

OF, I've been trying to find more info on this, off the bat it looks like a part time transfer case from an avalanche will bolt right up without modification... if you could point me in the direction of these swaps I'd appreciate it.

J
 

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