ZJ Wheel Question
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comptiger5000
Adventurer
Yep, TJ canyons were 15x8, as were the TJ Ravines. ZJ canyons were 15x7, however. The ultrastars did come on the 2000 and 2001 XJ and TJ as an option. IIRC, a lot of the 60th anniversary ones got them.
Mitch502
Explorer
Yea, I guess I should have clarified...it was the XJ option for 60th anniversary.
BigDaveZJ
Adventurer
Rubbing on the inside of the passenger fender makes sense. As the suspension compresses, the axle will move laterally towards the driver side due to the geometry of the trackbar. This is where an adjustable trackbar can really help you dial in the axles location.
With Clayton's long arm the rear is triangulated, eliminating this issue.
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Mitch502
Explorer
Thought the axle's flexed "back" or "forward" based on "up" or "down" movement. The rear axle moved back as it went up, and the front axle forward as it went up, and then opposite for down.
But you're saying due to the track bars, they also flex towards the driver's side as they go up? If I'm correct, that would mean the rear flexed towards the driver's side as you said, and the front flexed towards the pass side?
But you're saying due to the track bars, they also flex towards the driver's side as they go up? If I'm correct, that would mean the rear flexed towards the driver's side as you said, and the front flexed towards the pass side?
comptiger5000
Adventurer
Yep, they move front/back based on control arm angle and sideways based on track bar angle. Front axle moves to the pass side as the suspension compresses, rear axle moves to the driver's side.
BigDaveZJ
Adventurer
Also, one thing to note, if you do swap in an 8.8, but the time you weld on new brackets to the axle, you've done a good portion of the work in swapping to a triangulated long arm system. Clayton's replaces the upper control arm and trackbar mounts with a truss that the new triangulated uppers mount to. I've had my Clayton's for 10 years now and am very happy with their setup.
Also, the talk about the movement of the suspension based on trackbars and control arms brings up another good point on long arms. When you hit a bump now, your front suspension has to travel forward before it can begin to compress. That can make the ride pretty rough. With long arms, not only are the "frame" side mounts much stronger, but the length of the arm flattens out the arc that the axle travels through. This makes it ride, and flex better. The axle still has to travel forwards, but at a much shallower angle, making the ride smoother.
Also, the talk about the movement of the suspension based on trackbars and control arms brings up another good point on long arms. When you hit a bump now, your front suspension has to travel forward before it can begin to compress. That can make the ride pretty rough. With long arms, not only are the "frame" side mounts much stronger, but the length of the arm flattens out the arc that the axle travels through. This makes it ride, and flex better. The axle still has to travel forwards, but at a much shallower angle, making the ride smoother.
Mitch502
Explorer
Awesome. Thanks for all the information guys. I'm pretty sold on IRO products until I have a bad experience. Everything I've gotten from there has been awesome.
$1,500 for a LA upgrade from IRO or $2,000 form clayton....both more than I'm going to drop right now, but like I said, it is in my future I think.
Mitch
$1,500 for a LA upgrade from IRO or $2,000 form clayton....both more than I'm going to drop right now, but like I said, it is in my future I think.
Mitch
BigDaveZJ
Adventurer
Nothing wrong with IRO either, I just got my long arms before they even really existed. I know Darrick from IRO personally and he's a great guy, and if his products can stand up to how he wheels, I have no doubt that they will do just fine for you!
Also, if you're up for a bit of a drive, check out www.grandslamwest.org Awesome event in Moab every year with a bunch of Grands. IRO is usually out there with us too.
Also, if you're up for a bit of a drive, check out www.grandslamwest.org Awesome event in Moab every year with a bunch of Grands. IRO is usually out there with us too.
comptiger5000
Adventurer
My only issue with the IRO, Clayton, etc. long arm kits is the front half. They're all radius arms, which aren't necessarily ideal for everything (although they're easier to fit). The triangulated 4 link rears are nice though.
Mitch502
Explorer
Well....funny thing...I was working on the jeep last night, and it looks like my rubbing isn't happening on the inside like I thought....I guess when I was doing the KAT last year I was rubbing occasionally on the spring, which to be honest is fine with me since that's about the most hard wheeling I'll do.
I'm rubbing on my back bumper, which doesn't matter because I'm replacing it later this year!
I'm still going to look into a rear track bar, and possibly rims based on the suggestions.
Thanks again!
I'm rubbing on my back bumper, which doesn't matter because I'm replacing it later this year!
I'm still going to look into a rear track bar, and possibly rims based on the suggestions.
Thanks again!