2014 Tundra

[bjowett]

You make some valid points, but they are out of context here. Just ake a look Ford's axle ratio charts for their F250 - F450 trucks. If one wants the higher tow rating, the ratio will climb. There are plenty of 4.30 and 4.88 options. A big axle with a big ratio is the most durable choice here, plus it lessens the load on all upstream components, and I'll touch on those components later.

I am aware some folks have smoked the pinion/spider shaft. Calling it common is stretching things, but it does and can happen. 400 ft/lbs of torque with a 4.30 ratio doesn't help here. :ylsmoke: IMO many of these blown pinion shafts are from abuse, mainly burnouts.... nothing smokes these faster than plenty of one wheel peels, or better yet, continually trying to do a burnout with the traction control shuttling the torque back and forth using the brakes. I'm willing to bet any of the big three trucks with the big engine, larger rear end ratio, and 2 pin spider will experience this with more frequency. Fortunately, for the smaller "axled" trucks, they likely have an option 4 pin, LSD, or locker option. If Toyota had installed the 4 pin spider, which was shown in the brochure, this would be a non issue. Fail on Toyota for saving cash and installing the 2 pin, but it's a non issue for most folks.

Toyota also specs 75W85 gear oil... this thin lube crap for mileage is nice and all, but the proven weights will work fine for me. Fail on the lube spec.

The drop out chunk weighs 108lbs.

Carrier bearings 92mm (3.62") x 55mm (2.17") x 20.5mm (.80").
Pinion bearing, front 81mm (3.20") x 36mm (1.45") x 21mm (.84")
Pinion bearing, rear 104mm(4.10") x 44.5 (1.75") x 27mm (1.06)

it will be nice if we can get the bearing sizes for the other trucks. Materials and specs for those materials would also be nice, but I doubt we'll find much other than normal generic info. The shaft is 35 spline and 1.37" OD at those splines. The shaft is 1.75" at it largest point, just behind the gear head. Having a 10.5" ring gear, flex here is not a problem. Ring gear is over 1" thick at the root, and those roots are shot peened.

Housing. Fabricated from .23" steel, tube is 3.43".

Axle shafts, 1.457 36 spline, 1.95" at wheel.

Rear wheel bearings. Sealed dual row roller. 89mm (this is outer diameter of the lip seal), 49mm x 55mm wide. We'll talk about these later....

 

[MINO]

Toyota also specs 75W85 gear oil... this thin lube crap for mileage is nice and all, but the proven weights will work fine for me. Fail on the lube spec.

Curious, what has been proven to work for you. I've always used 75w90 on my FZJ80 but haven't even thought about my Tundra.

Getting back on topic. I've been happy with my 2012 "Rock Warrior" except for a few details which I hope were addressed for 2014.
1) It needs a real LSD or Locker to be called a "Rock Warrior".
2) Steering rack concerns. Seems stock or lifted, there are people blowing their racks. Mine has been fine after 15k miles on an OME 3" lift.
3) Bed frame flex. This is specific to having a 1k lbs camper on my rig. Seems to porpoise more than other brands of trucks with similar campers.
4) A proper set of projector beam headlights like the rest of the big 3 offer.

 

[bjowett]

75W90 works for me, sometimes thicker for severe use.

LSD and lockers are available.
Toyota knows about the rack problem, and is supposedly dealing with it. Some dealers and regional reps are not very receptive to repairing it under warranty when a lift is installed, but the lift has nothing to do with it.
The frame does move on this truck, not a fan of it. What problems does it give you with the camper?

 

[MINO]

I'm looking at doing an Auburn rear diff. in the near future.
However when purchasing a "TRD offroad" or "Rock Warrior" Tundra, one would think a locker or LSD would be an option to their "Auto LSD". (Which I also hated on my Lexus ISF.)

My theory for the steering rack is people are turning the wheel past full-lock causing a seal issue inside. I've felt it go past full-lock once - never did it again.

As for the camper: I've got an extended North-South cabover bed which acts as a lever. I noticed on moderate trails and even small bumps on the road it would hit the cab roof.
In addition, it would porpoise a lot at speeds above 45mph. At first I suspected flex in the extended cabover section was the cause but it wasn't. As I would pull down on the cabover section
I could see the issue was the bed section flexing. I understand porpoising is a common occurrence on truck campers - I just felt it was excessive on my rig and installed camper struts to alleviate the problem.

 

[Bayou Boy]

As another datapoint, the issues experiences by Mino with his camper are nonexistent with my 2009 Ford F150 Supercrew Platinum 4x4 loaded with my family of three and an ATC Cougar. Upgraded with firestone airbags, a Helwig rear sway bar, and 34" E rated tires on the stock 20" rims the truck did 85 mph on the highway and both Cinnamon and Stoney passes in Colorado loaded with the camper, gear and family. Those passes were rated 4 and 5 respectively and were no trouble. Stoney was done in and out of showers the entire trip. No lift. Just larger than stock tires. A couple of years ago I did Engineer in another Supercrew F150.

Shouldn't a modern vehicle be designed so that a driver can't damage it by turning the steering wheel all of the way? To think otherwise is ludicrous. I remember a 1992 Chevy truck having a warning in the manual that holding the steering wheel against the stop could damage the power steering pump or something. None of my last few trucks have had that warning even though its ingrained in me to back off the stop a little.


You guys that are still hanging on to this "Toyota is best, domestics are junk" mindset need to spend some time in some of the current generation trucks. They equal and in some cases blow away the Toyota offerings in ride and fit and finish, and at least equal and maybe better them in rough road prowess. Toyota switch gear just feels cheap compared to the stuff in my Ford Platinum.

 

[Clutch]

You guys that are still hanging on to this "Toyota is best, domestics are junk" mindset need to spend some time in some of the current generation trucks.

Had a client in today with a brand new '14 Chevy Silverdo, it is daaang nice! It is much better in person than the pictures.

Client who who owns it, said she loves how it drives like a car.

 

[daveyboy]

You guys that are still hanging on to this "Toyota is best, domestics are junk" mindset need to spend some time in some of the current generation trucks. They equal and in some cases blow away the Toyota offerings in ride and fit and finish, and at least equal and maybe better them in rough road prowess.

That works both ways. I had a Ford before my Tundra. Some closed minded folks cannot accept that the Tundra is better by comparison in some areas as well. The interior in my GM is way nicer than my Tundra--but the 6L80 shifts like a piece of trash compared to the Tundra, which shifts like a rattlesnake.

My Tundra does ride like a little stiff when empty--but with a truck camper, it has been in every Rocky mountain state and traveled thousand and thousands of miles doing so--and has performed like a champ.

 

[bjowett]

Here we have two front wheel bearings. One is used on a 1/2 ton truck axle with 4000 lb GAWR, the other is used on 3/4 and 1 ton axles with 5000 - 6000 lb GAWR. I don't have any pictures of rear bearings, yet.

 

[Brandr]

Hello Expo members,
I've been reading and researching here on EXPO for a while now, however, I haven't actively posted. Furthermore, I've been impressed at the level of respect and civility that I've observed throughout the dedicated forums. In spite of this it seems that from time to time, there's a little more friction than usual. This is understandable; we are, after all, fallible human beings. However, I believe it's of utmost importance to always strive for the sense of community that is so important to our members.

In order to do so we must remember that dedicated forums are, as their name implies dedicated to a specific subject matter. If I, as a lifelong Dodgers fan, decide to attend my neighbor's "San Fran Giants" themed family barbecue dressed in full Dodgers regalia, what should I expect as a result? If I lecture them on why my team's players, mangers, and history are superior (and of course it is 'cause Dodger Blue rules!!!), not only am I being rude I'm also being unreasonable in my expectation that they have to listen to me.

Regardless of how much data I may bring to the table I need to remember that I am a guest in someone else's home. So should we be here on EXPO. Dedicated forums are where enthusiasts gather to discuss the vehicles(in this case) that they love. We should proactively seek to live and let live. A "domestic" enthusiast's enjoyment of his vehicle shouldn't be affected by my enthusiasm of an "import."

Imagine if all the truck/suv enthusiasts bombarded the adventure motorcycle forum in order to correct their obviously misinformed purchase of an inferior expedition vehicle. Could we argue that 2-wheels is mechanically, logistically, physically(exertion) inferior in every way to a truck/suv? Of course we could; however, should we? Obviously no! Motorcycle enthusiasts gather together in that forum to discuss their love and passion for 2-wheeled adventure. The same goes for Toyota, Jeep, Rover etc.

As far as the videos are concerned...Video 1: If I ever want to hang 275 lbs from the corner of a truck frame instead of putting it inside the bed, I'll make sure to buy a fully boxed frame with no truck attached to it...Video 2: I've driven a LOT of rutted, washboard roads in AZ, NM, Sonora & overseas and I ALWAYS slowed down before my vehicle did an impersonation of a Motel-6 vibrating bed...Video 3: One word twice in a row - Lockers & momentum. If you don't have lockers a little momentum will go a long way. I once followed a jeep tour in Sedona while driving a front wheel drive Dodge Stratus. The most difficult obstacles were similar to the ditch and staggered ramps in this video. Yes, the car sustained battle scars.

Now I'll touch briefly on parts: To begin with, I've never taken apart two vehicles in order to decide which one to buy. I did try doing this with a waterbed, but it didn't go well and now Bedmart has a restraining order against me. But seriously, when you consider how many trucks get aftermarket axles, lockers, 3rd members, transfer cases, suspension...who really cares how truck "A" compares to truck "B"? Buy what you like, not what someone else thinks is superior.

In summary, my love of Japanese imports is similar to my love of the Dodgers and redheads: it borders on the irrational 99% of the time. If your love of domestic, fully boxed frame, hovercraft is just as great, I applaud your passion for those vehicles. Just try not to rain on my (imported)parade.

VR,
Brandr

 

[huntsonora]

Hello Expo members,
I've been reading and researching here on EXPO for a while now, however, I haven't actively posted. Furthermore, I've been impressed at the level of respect and civility that I've observed throughout the dedicated forums. In spite of this it seems that from time to time, there's a little more friction than usual. This is understandable; we are, after all, fallible human beings. However, I believe it's of utmost importance to always strive for the sense of community that is so important to our members.

In order to do so we must remember that dedicated forums are, as their name implies dedicated to a specific subject matter. If I, as a lifelong Dodgers fan, decide to attend my neighbor's "San Fran Giants" themed family barbecue dressed in full Dodgers regalia, what should I expect as a result? If I lecture them on why my team's players, mangers, and history are superior (and of course it is 'cause Dodger Blue rules!!!), not only am I being rude I'm also being unreasonable in my expectation that they have to listen to me.

Regardless of how much data I may bring to the table I need to remember that I am a guest in someone else's home. So should we be here on EXPO. Dedicated forums are where enthusiasts gather to discuss the vehicles(in this case) that they love. We should proactively seek to live and let live. A "domestic" enthusiast's enjoyment of his vehicle shouldn't be affected by my enthusiasm of an "import."

Imagine if all the truck/suv enthusiasts bombarded the adventure motorcycle forum in order to correct their obviously misinformed purchase of an inferior expedition vehicle. Could we argue that 2-wheels is mechanically, logistically, physically(exertion) inferior in every way to a truck/suv? Of course we could; however, should we? Obviously no! Motorcycle enthusiasts gather together in that forum to discuss their love and passion for 2-wheeled adventure. The same goes for Toyota, Jeep, Rover etc.

As far as the videos are concerned...Video 1: If I ever want to hang 275 lbs from the corner of a truck frame instead of putting it inside the bed, I'll make sure to buy a fully boxed frame with no truck attached to it...Video 2: I've driven a LOT of rutted, washboard roads in AZ, NM, Sonora & overseas and I ALWAYS slowed down before my vehicle did an impersonation of a Motel-6 vibrating bed...Video 3: One word twice in a row - Lockers & momentum. If you don't have lockers a little momentum will go a long way. I once followed a jeep tour in Sedona while driving a front wheel drive Dodge Stratus. The most difficult obstacles were similar to the ditch and staggered ramps in this video. Yes, the car sustained battle scars.

Now I'll touch briefly on parts: To begin with, I've never taken apart two vehicles in order to decide which one to buy. I did try doing this with a waterbed, but it didn't go well and now Bedmart has a restraining order against me. But seriously, when you consider how many trucks get aftermarket axles, lockers, 3rd members, transfer cases, suspension...who really cares how truck "A" compares to truck "B"? Buy what you like, not what someone else thinks is superior.

In summary, my love of Japanese imports is similar to my love of the Dodgers and redheads: it borders on the irrational 99% of the time. If your love of domestic, fully boxed frame, hovercraft is just as great, I applaud your passion for those vehicles. Just try not to rain on my (imported)parade.

VR,
Brandr

:iagree:

 

[JWP58]

Here's a question for you Kaisen. Since you don't care for the tundra, or Toyota (obviously)....why don't you take your burban and get out of the "TOYOTA SECTION"????

Pot stirrer.

 

[sourdough]

X3, well said Brandr

 

[Flagster]

might as well...

http://www.dailyfinance.com/2013/08/18/is-toyota-giving-up-on-the-tundra/

nothing to see here...

 

[washington taco]

As long as the next gen Taco isn't a warmed over version of the current model I am O.K. They have let both the current Taco and Tundra go WAY to long and are in dire need of new models.

 

[Flagster]

As long as the next gen Taco isn't a warmed over version of the current model I am O.K. They have let both the current Taco and Tundra go WAY to long and are in dire need of new models.

I agree but when will we see a new one...2005-2012...2012-2019?...

My 2005 tacoma still has plenty of life but if I was buying today it would be a domestic 1/2 ton...prob GMC or Ford