Limb risers without tabs or a rack?

[Hank]

LOL, every thread on Expo goes the same way. Someone posts their opinion; someone else posts their opinion; the Dweb comments come out; then the "I love Expo because people are not mean" posts finish it up. Just search "Dweb" and you'll see what I mean.

So what are these cables good for? I'm confused.... At the beginning of this thread they were for keeping branches from scratching your paint, then they were designed to keep from busting your windshield at high speed, and now they're for visibility while driving the jungles of Atlanta.

Anyone considered installing curb feelers?

I searched "limb risers" on Google images. I did not find one picture of a vehicle where their limb risers were actually rising limbs. So I'm left wondering, who spends $100 or so bucks on this "mod" before buying something useful - like a recovery strap or First Aid kit? Seriously, I look at the 1,000 "Check out my build" threads here on Expo and people will show-off their valve cover caps but never show their recovery equipment. Some of you guys will talk for 5-pages about limb risers and coated cables and SS hardware, but have yet to install diff guards or a brass radiator plug. But I'm betting it's not correct on Expo to even mention that.

 

[R_Lefebvre]

When I started this thread, I was concerned about my paint. I'm long past that now. That's a battle that can't be won if you off-road up here. Actually, I think it was when I pulled off the rear bumper that I stopped caring about scratches.

That's why the discussion has "evolved" in my mind at least. I'm interested in seeing how these wires work, not for 10 foot visibility, but 1" visibility. If I've got a leafy branch right on the windshield, and that happens, I can't see anything.

Recovery gear in build threads... do you really want me to show you a photo of my gear bag? I know at least I don't bother posting that because it's like... do you want to see a photo of my full gas gauge? It's pretty basic, and I'd think (hope?) we all have the same stuff.

 

[Scott Brady]

Many of the two tracks are logging roads that have such heavy brush down the sides that they are fast becoming single tracks. Like I said earlier I have used my winch line to keep brush off the windshield but as you pointed out speed has alot to do with it and you cant really drive fast enough down these two tracks safely to need to do anything as you are really driving blind past about 10' in front of your hood.

Thom

That has been my experience.

The visibility factor may have some merit. But I do remember driving a few trucks with brush cables, and it just seemed that the visibility was the same, but different. As the brush comes up the cables, it obscures your view. It seemed like the cables just brought everything into a big clump, right in front of me as it pilled up and worked its way up the lines.

As far as I am concerned, the guy that lives in the PNW or Nicaragua, etc. and has brush cables. That is pretty legit.

 

[Hank]

.......and I'd think (hope?) we all have the same stuff.

I bet we don't.

The recovery bag is one, if not the most, important parts of a build. It's more important than lockers or wheels or limb risers. A lot of people think they have a complete recovery kit, when in actuality it's not. There are some basics, but then there are some bits of kit people overlook. It's the same with all these build thread here - everyone focuses on bumpers and lift but they never look at the detailed items that actually make your truck better, such as a convex mirror. It's the same with recovery kits.....

 

[Scott Brady]

Dan,

We have an entire forum related to recovery equipment. There are nearly 400 threads. Check it out

 

[muskyman]

I bet we don't.

The recovery bag and the knowledge and experience to use it is one, if not the most, important parts of a build. It's more important than lockers or wheels or limb risers. A lot of people think they have a complete recovery kit, when in actuality it's not. There are some basics, but then there are some bits of kit people overlook. It's the same with all these build thread here - everyone focuses on bumpers and lift but they never look at the detailed items that actually make your truck better, such as a convex mirror and a truckers arm rest. It's the same with recovery kits.....

fixed it for you Hank! LOL

 

[pnorvell]

DWeb is a good site and has solid tech. I don't see any benefit in us bashing that site. It is just a different approach, and both have their advantages IMO. I have learned a lot about my two Discos from a few of those guys. I appreciate that many have come to check out and contribute to ExPo.

Like I said, the archives are useful and full of great stuff. I am just criticizing the manner of which how things are handle.

Yes Dweb goes down from time to time, Its a free site that dosent take one dollar in advertising money. Have you ever donated? maybe if people tossed a couple bucks after they found that tidbit that saved them a boat load of money on repairs the operating budget would go up and the site could be a bit more stable?

As far as the archieves being the only thing of value is just plain wrong. See these trucks are aging and as they age the issues they suffer from change. Early on Discoweb sorted out many common issues that the dealers couldent even sort out. Stufff like all the window circuit boards having the same bad solder connection. quirky things that pointed to issues that wouldent pop a code but caused running issues. And very important was the mass of early mods that were not worth the money because they caused other issues . Now the tech is more related to keeping older trucks running and issues that higher mile trucks have. Techniques to speed engine swaps and parts cross information to save money keeping a truck running longer. Then Add into that no start and run conditions that baffle people and you have challenges that the community of enthusiasts,mechanics and gear heads dive into and sort out in a very accurate and cross examined way.

If you read the other rover web sites many of those questions on other web sites are being answered by long time discoweb posters or people that showed up at discoweb with zero experience hung out for a while and then moved to other sites to hang out a shingle as a rover expert. often these people are just regurgitating information they have no real first hand experience with they just read it on disco web and because of the aggresive sort out the crap nature of discoweb lots of that information is pretty darn accurate. The call it as you see it attitude at discoweb has in the long run really helped the land rover community IMHO.

I like Expo as well, I like the fact that the site is based around unsupported vehicle dependant travel. Although I spend alot of time wrenching on stuff I also love to get in my truck and go and have my disco set up for self supported car camping. I am a hardcore back country fisherman and have been doing that for a long time so having a truck and the gear to allow that is important to me and expo as a site and community plays into that so I have have come here to learn and contribute. If people are offended by me because I come from Discoweb.org I could really care less. I am very proud of Discoweb and Ho and Axel and what they and thier site have brought to the land rover community.

Thom

The site being down was a low blow and I apologize for that. It is one of the few sites left without a ton of Ads. But I think we're not meeting eye to eye here. I am talking about the manner of discussion on Dweb, not if the info is good or bad. It is one the best websites for Land Rovers hands down, I just find it sad that things are handled as they are, that's it. Also, I am not trying to make anyone feel condemned or secluded. As it's been said before, just calling it as I see it

Musky I think you're missing the point.
Nobody's is offended by you coming from Disco Web.
It's just your rude/aggro posts that are offensive

If you don't like limb risers then there's no reason for you to be in this thread.

Come now, this thread is going downhill fast. This tone has got no place at Expo

Exactly sir. No offense meant, so lets get back on track.

Peter

 

[muskyman]

Like I said, the archives are useful and full of great stuff. I am just criticizing the manner of which how things are handle.



The site being down was a low blow and I apologize for that. It is one of the few sites left without a ton of Ads. But I think we're not meeting eye to eye here. I am talking about the manner of discussion on Dweb, not if the info is good or bad. It is one the best websites for Land Rovers hands down, I just find it sad that things are handled as they are, that's it. Also, I am not trying to make anyone feel condemned or secluded. As it's been said before, just calling it as I see it

Peter

you are missing my point, the reason the information on dweb is so good and stays so accurate is because the way the site operates. The BS gets called out there, and those threads are left for everyone to see. They dont pull threads because someone is nasty and if someone decides to keep spewing misinformation they are gang tackled by the community and driven off. You may not like the format but you seem to like the resultant quality information.

Like the storming of the beaches at Normandy things are not always pretty but the end result is sometimes worth the fight. The Rover community is better off for the fact that discoweb is very lightly moderated, and your own comments are evidence of that.

Thom

Oh and dont apologize for your comment about the site being down, its not a dig its a fact and trust me the owners of the site have plenty thick enough skin to handle your pointed stick

 

[Scott Brady]

Every type of forum has its place. I have learned a lot from Dweb and I have learned to become more critical and thoughtful of my own builds because of EE. The EE guys have a serious zen style to their builds. ExPo has its own family friendly vibe, and that works for a lot of people (8,500 active members and nearly 30,000 total members).

The key is to be adult enough to allow each of these forums to be as they are, and not try to manipulate them into what you want them to be. Just choose to participate or not. It is that easy :sombrero:

 

[muskyman]

Every type of forum has its place. I have learned a lot from Dweb and I have learned to become more critical and thoughtful of my own builds because of EE. The EE guys have a serious zen style to their builds. ExPo has its own family friendly vibe, and that works for a lot of people (8,500 active members and nearly 30,000 total members).

The key is to be adult enough to allow each of these forums to be as they are, and not try to manipulate them into what you want them to be. Just choose to participate or not. It is that easy :sombrero:

I agree about the EE zen for sure and many of those same people have shaped dweb so that also goes to the fact that sometimes its fun to play in a number of playgrounds.

I like Expo or I wouldent be posting here, I wouldent waste a post on a number of land rover sites because they are so far from reality. I am planning on a full sized off road camper build at some point and that would most likely fit right in here at Expo.

 

[ntsqd]

Acrylic and Polycarbonate do quite well in clear applications. Think of headlights and tail lights.

Those are a couple of the exceptions and are exactly why I said "rarely". Even they have issues. Think about how many cloudy 'aero' headlights you see these days.

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ntsqd
Do those marine life lines come in any other color? Clear or even black would look ok, not to sure about white.

I've only ever seen it in white, but I won't claim to be intimately familiar with all of the offerings.

 

[david despain]

FWIW, since I started the thread a year ago, I still haven't done anything because I hadn't figured out any way to do it properly. Attaching them to sheetmetal is just not going to work if you really need them. I do think they would be useful where I drive but, actually they'd be even better on my bike if I could figure out how to make that work! Sticks on the windshield is one thing, stick in the face sucks more.

you could always put a doubler behind the sheet metal if it were done like that one on the UK site where it attaches to the fender. that should spread out the load plenty.


Also why is everyone so concerned about coating them? clear or not. just leave them bare it wont hurt them.

 

[Geo14cux]

In my 25 years of wheeling. I have thought those wire things might come in handy what 7 times. Each of those times was breaking trail after a heavy snow. I did live through it omg. Nevertheless they are not going to ever be on my truck.
So for me I concentrate on stuff I can use. For other folks it sorta depends on your terrain.

 

[Mike_rupp]

Those are a couple of the exceptions and are exactly why I said "rarely". Even they have issues. Think about how many cloudy 'aero' headlights you see these days.

Acrylic doesn't have UV issues. It is inherently stable. There are plenty of tail lights that are 20+ years old and look fantastic. Polycarbonate is not inherently stable and needs a modifier to make it UV stable. My guess is that the cloudy lenses are made from a poorly stabilized material.

Since there aren't many clear polymers to begin with, it stands to reason that there aren't going to be many UV stable clear polymers.

 

[Geo14cux]

Ruppster Boy in a Bubble had clear plastic stuff.... So drive your truck in his bubble! :ylsmoke: