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[articulate]

Correct. News in some auto pubs are saying that a Titan diesel option should be ready for the 2009 model year.

 

[slomatt]

Diesel Nissans are coming and I have that news on very good authority

Currently testing in the Titan and Frontier (V6 CRD)

I think they were taking my "diesel SUV" query very literally and not including trucks.

- Matt

 

[Nullifier]

Hell if jeep came out with an unlimited diesel I would buy one tomorrow no hesitation. Of couse if the frontier comes in with a diesel I would probably get that over the jeep.

 

[dieselcruiserhead]

Not sure if you guys saw this (slightly unrelated) but this bad boy may yield as high as 60 mpg highway according to the site...
http://www.autoblog.com/2007/05/08/diesel-vw-jetta-sportwagen-a-real-fuel-sipper

I personally love these cars and would love to buy one when they come out..

 

[Ryanmb21]

Not sure if you guys saw this (slightly unrelated) but this bad boy may yield as high as 60 mpg highway according to the site...
http://www.autoblog.com/2007/05/08/diesel-vw-jetta-sportwagen-a-real-fuel-sipper

I personally love these cars and would love to buy one when they come out..

x2!

 

[calamaridog]

2009 Dodge 1500 Cummins

V8 Cummins turbodiesel will have about 260-300 hp and 460 lb-ft of torque, with gas mileage is likely to be about 20 mpg city, 25 highway.

 

[dieselcruiserhead]

out of curiosity where did you get this info?

 

[haven]

one source

Here's one source that provides details about the V6 and V8 diesel engines under development by Cummins.
http://www.dieselpowermag.com/tech/dodge/0612dp_new_cummins_v6_and_v8/

See page 2 for MPG test results. The V-6 is rated at 270 hp and 420 lb-ft of torque, which should be plenty for most vehicles. For example, the Mitsubishi Fuso FG four cylinder diesel produces about 400 lb-ft of torque, and it's adequate to move a vehicle with 8,000 lb payload. A Jeep Unlimited or a Dodge Durango will never see a payload like that. The key is having a transmission with lots of gears so you can get the load moving, and keep it moving inside the diesel's narrower power band.

Unfortunately, most diesel buyers want a truck that can beat the buses and semi's to the entrance to the Eisenhower tunnel. So Dodge will continue to offer the 6.7L diesel.

 

[fisher205]

My modified 2nd Generation Cummins is pulling about 270 hp and about 650 ft lbs. of torque This is more than adequate to get it and the camper down the road.

I don't think the Fuso is a very good comparison with a light pickup. 270 hp is more than the Fuso. The fuso can haul heavy loads but only has a top speed of 72 mph. This would be a litttle slow for highway driving. -Brad

 

[dieselcruiserhead]

Two semi related articles. About difficulties in the Indian auto manufacturing industry:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/17/business/worldbusiness/17india.html?ref=business

And GM has bought a stake in an Italian diesel engine producer and will be putting it into a Cadillac initially:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/17/business/17diesel.html

 

[Dave]

Spy Report Spy Report

Saw this on another message board...

saw today 3 toyota tundras in a convoy on the way home today each with manufactures plates. the first and the last one were obviously badged as gas trucks.. but the middle one was heavily camoflaged. with a body bra and no exposed badging. however, i managed to goose the aveo next to it, and it had that destinctive diesel sound, and had much larger exaust than either of the two gassers that were escorting the trucks (the back one was badged as the 5.7, i didnt catch the badging on the front one, i assume it was the smaller v8).

i couldnt tell with all the camoflague on the truck if it was a 3/4 ton or better, it could have been a diesel halffer.. id ont know.. it rode about the same height as teh 5.7 litre truck, and with the wheels spinning, i couldnt get a count of lug nuts either to tell if it had larger axles.

so basically, I have no real information at all, other than I saw a heavily camoflagued toyota truck with manufactures plates that SOUNDED like it had a diesel. it was not blowing black smoke, but, id assume that any new diesel introduced would be of the 'clean' variety anyway, so thats no longer a for sure tell.

anyway, it looks like toyota is testing thier new (3/4 ton?) diesel tundra up in the mountains here.. which is kinda neat...

He also snapped pics of some diesel vans being tested by DC a few weeks ago...

two "new" mercedes vans.. each with a "new" USA spec clean CDI motor.

the vito 111CDI was towing a trailer i was told was measured at EXACTLY 5000#.

according to the manufactures engineer, the motor was a 2148cc CDI, with 150 hp and 330# of torque, rear wheel drive.. 0-60 was in the 12 second range, but max speed was 113 with a fuel economy of 44mpg at 55mph ave speed..

the maroon van was the same size, but called a "viano cdi 2.0".. this one was not towing, but specced out with less power , 109 hp, 214# torque, with a top speed of 99mph, 0-100kph in the 17 second range, but with 32mpg combined city/highway.. limited to 2000# towing

didnt get to drive/play with them, and was told both would be crushed once the testing was done (aparently theres some legal issue with test vehicles ever making it to the public, even tho these models have been available in europe since 2004)

 

[cruiser guy]

On my way back to the U.S. we had a 4 day lay-over in Kuwait. I saw the (what I assume to be "new") Hilux. The body style was scarily similar to the 05+ Taco and I believe it had a 2.7L diesel. Can anyone confirm this? I have not searched the net or anything for it. I wish I would have had my camera handy...

I know it's an old post but no one has replied yet.

The Hilux in most other parts of the world has had a diesel option for years!! The current diesel is the D4D. I've driven a Toyota HiAce with the D4D and 17 adults in it. It seemed a little tall in the gearing for starting out up a hill but once you got it rolling it did quite well. I drove it between Guatemala City and Panahachel which includes a few good hills!

The D4D is quiet and I didn't see any noticeable black smoke from the tail pipe either.

I think it has a lot to do with branding and wanting to be very careful about how they present a Toyota diesel option. The public associates Toyota with reliable, clean, nearly-flawless vehicles, while diesels still have a bit of their dirty image to shed in America. I think Toyota wants to be sure their diesels are successful (name the last Toyota vehicle that *wasn't* successful?) by waiting until the American public is truly ready for an everyday diesel.

The bad taste that many in North America have with regards to diesel is due to GM and their piece of crap 350 "diesel" of the late '70's and early '80's. All that was is a 350 gasser with a "diesel" head. Cute stunts like that by the domestic auto manufacturers make me wary of their products.

Toyota has had diesels in other world markets for years!! My '82 Toyota Land Cruiser came stock with a 4 banger Toyota diesel. It's not fast but it is reliable. I added a turbo to it when it was pushing 200,000 miles and it's still just as reliable as ever and now has significantly more power to boot!

btw the 2.7 in the Hilux was probably a gasser 2.7VVi. The diesels all have the D4D badging (at least the ones I've seen) while the gassers say 2.7 VVi or VVT I can't remember which.

 

[ChuckB]

I know it's an old post but no one has replied yet.

The Hilux in most other parts of the world has had a diesel option for years!! The current diesel is the D4D. I've driven a Toyota HiAce with the D4D and 17 adults in it. It seemed a little tall in the gearing for starting out up a hill but once you got it rolling it did quite well. I drove it between Guatemala City and Panahachel which includes a few good hills!

The D4D is quiet and I didn't see any noticeable black smoke from the tail pipe either.



The bad taste that many in North America have with regards to diesel is due to GM and their piece of crap 350 "diesel" of the late '70's and early '80's. All that was is a 350 gasser with a "diesel" head. Cute stunts like that by the domestic auto manufacturers make me wary of their products.

Toyota has had diesels in other world markets for years!! My '82 Toyota Land Cruiser came stock with a 4 banger Toyota diesel. It's not fast but it is reliable. I added a turbo to it when it was pushing 200,000 miles and it's still just as reliable as ever and now has significantly more power to boot!

btw the 2.7 in the Hilux was probably a gasser 2.7VVi. The diesels all have the D4D badging (at least the ones I've seen) while the gassers say 2.7 VVi or VVT I can't remember which.

THANKS!!!

 

[calamaridog]

out of curiosity where did you get this info?

Sorry Andre, I usually remember to post a link:

http://www.allpar.com/model/ram/2009-ram.html

 

[haven]

diesel vehicles by date

Here is a list of model years when we can expect diesel engines to be offered by a variety of manufacturers. Most are from Automobile Magazine. I made a few additions


2007 (currently available)
Jeep Grand Cherokee CRD
Mercedes E320 Bluetec
Mercedes GL320 CDI
Mercedes ML320 CDI
Mercedes R320 CDI
Volkswagen Touraeg V-10 TDI

2008
Audi Q7 3.0 TDI
BMW 330d
BMW X5 3.0d
Volkswagen Jetta 2.0 I4
Volkswagen Tiguan 2.0 I4

2009
Ford Expedition 4.4 V-8
Ford F-150 4.4 V-8
Honda Accord 2.4L I4 ?
Hyundai Veracruz 3.0L V6
Mahindra pickup, suv 2.6L I4
Volkswagen Touareg 3.0 V6 TDI

2010
Chevrolet Silverado 4.5 V-8
Dodge Ram 1500 4.2 V-6
GMC Sierra 4.5 V-8
Hummer H2 4.5 V-8
Mitsubishi Lancer 2.4 I4
Nissan Maxima
Nissan Titan
Nissan Versa
Saturn Aura
Toyota Tundra (maybe)

2011
Mitsubishi Outlander 2.4 I4