cjmitchell5
Adventurer
michaelgroves said:
:drool: I didn't think we could post porn on here.
My Angry Defender Rant.
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:drool: I didn't think we could post porn on here.
Scott Brady
Founder
It is the same reason why not everyone buys a Toyota Camry. If logic and only practical considerations were given to vehicles, there would be very few options, and nothing exotic.
I look at a Defender with pure love. I have driven them and smile during every rattled, noisy, bumpy mile.
Even though the drivetrain is quite similar to my Discovery, the Defender is more capable in stock to stock form for several reasons, including greater running ground clearance, better approach and departure, better break-over and the ability to fit a 265/75 R16 tire from the factory. With a soft-top, they also have better COG.
The D90 is an exotic in NA, and still highly desirable because of their classic safari lines and cache.
I love them, and would not want them to be any different.
I look at a Defender with pure love. I have driven them and smile during every rattled, noisy, bumpy mile.
Even though the drivetrain is quite similar to my Discovery, the Defender is more capable in stock to stock form for several reasons, including greater running ground clearance, better approach and departure, better break-over and the ability to fit a 265/75 R16 tire from the factory. With a soft-top, they also have better COG.
The D90 is an exotic in NA, and still highly desirable because of their classic safari lines and cache.
I love them, and would not want them to be any different.
viatierra
Explorer
I'm actually suprised to see some of the prices out there for defenders these days. Since they are all at least 11 years old... prices in the high teens is now doable. In the late nineties when I had one, I was shocked that the babes were actually into it! Appearances on MTV and 90120 didn't hurt. I rememeber sevaral instances where chicks wouldn 't talk to me until they saw me roll up in my D-90 wagon.
Come to think of it... I really miss that rig.
Come to think of it... I really miss that rig.
Z O O R O P A
Explorer
does anyone know if you can install the new rear seats in an old D110?
Is there anything that would prevent the install that comes to mind?
Is there anything that would prevent the install that comes to mind?
overlander
Expedition Leader
expeditionswest said:
What he said! There isn't a day that goes by that I don't love my Defender, and I still have to look back at it every time I get out of it and walk away. I have to laugh at myself afterwards consistently. I wouldn't change a thing. (ok, except for those 10 spline axles...but keith and I are going to fix that)
outsidr
Adventurer
x 3, hot air balloons and sailboats are inefficient and expensive by pragmatic comparison but if you experience it you get it.
There is something very zen about them to me. They are unfairly priced in this country but so is good beer in public. You do get what you pay for. I abused mine and put her up wet and she lived without major repair for 7 years+! Not even a water pump or serp belt...
Shame on the comparison to a jeep. I have had a quiver of them and they are like a tin can compared to the 90. The quirks of the 90 are its character, not its faults..
Bump to all of you for noting you can build a DI in to a 90. You just need to swap over the bodies... Also, the jack**s's that buy them to keep in a garage and hit "the scene" should be charged with kidnapping. Its like keeping a princess in a tower. Thy need to be driven hard or they don't work right..
It's not a status symbol, its a leatherman that you can ride in.
There is something very zen about them to me. They are unfairly priced in this country but so is good beer in public. You do get what you pay for. I abused mine and put her up wet and she lived without major repair for 7 years+! Not even a water pump or serp belt...
Shame on the comparison to a jeep. I have had a quiver of them and they are like a tin can compared to the 90. The quirks of the 90 are its character, not its faults..
Bump to all of you for noting you can build a DI in to a 90. You just need to swap over the bodies... Also, the jack**s's that buy them to keep in a garage and hit "the scene" should be charged with kidnapping. Its like keeping a princess in a tower. Thy need to be driven hard or they don't work right..
It's not a status symbol, its a leatherman that you can ride in.
cydonia-jacc said:For the record though, I did meet one woman whose dream vehicle is a Defender 110 so I married her.
I asked my wife what her dream vehicle was on our first date, she said a Land Cruiser and my jaw hit the floor (I thought she meant an FJ40). We are 11 years and 3 kids into it now, she drives the 80 and I drive the 40. Marital Bliss.
Scott Brady
Founder
The Design Goddess of Overland Journal...
Her favorite vehicle of all time - D90, red, soft top
Her favorite vehicle of all time - D90, red, soft top
greenmeanie
Adventurer
I thought retro was all the rage in Toyota circles anyway. After all they built the FJ cruiser marketed on that idea. You get something that looks like the 80's with all the computers from the present that you complain about and no diesel. I'd still buy the cruiser from the 70's/80's.
If you have a problem with Defenders then just drive a 101. That is a land Rover that needs not only heart but utter fanatacism to really love. After running one of these for 8 years a Defender seems the height of civilisation and modernity. It doesn't even get on the same map as a Disco, let alone a Toyota but I have never driven anything that makes me smile so much but that is just me.
If you don't like the price then don't buy one. If you want something every bit as cool as a Defender but nothing like the prive then buy a series. They can be made to be anything you want them to be. Look at Jim's build here.
Many people are now putting the Toyota axles under Rovers. In the grand scheme of things that is not too difficult. I've yet to buy a vehicle that I did not modify to some extent to suit my purposes. One of the real beauties in the Rover design is its construction lends itself to this admirably.
If you have a problem with Defenders then just drive a 101. That is a land Rover that needs not only heart but utter fanatacism to really love. After running one of these for 8 years a Defender seems the height of civilisation and modernity. It doesn't even get on the same map as a Disco, let alone a Toyota but I have never driven anything that makes me smile so much but that is just me.
If you don't like the price then don't buy one. If you want something every bit as cool as a Defender but nothing like the prive then buy a series. They can be made to be anything you want them to be. Look at Jim's build here.
Many people are now putting the Toyota axles under Rovers. In the grand scheme of things that is not too difficult. I've yet to buy a vehicle that I did not modify to some extent to suit my purposes. One of the real beauties in the Rover design is its construction lends itself to this admirably.
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MattScott
Approved Vendor
I don't believe I ever said a Defender wasn't for me, I never said I prefer Toyota, there are horrible things I'd do before owning a Toyota. My Disco has alot of character, it's why I love Land Rover.
Also, my girlfriend loves my disco, perhaps I should have said that earlier, we're planning a Chicago - Baja trip together in the next year or two. If I drove a defender to my old high school, I'd get the negative response though, people are pinheads anyway.
Those G4 110's are sexy...
I also really like the interior of the new ones, I know the old one has charisma, but if I had one, it would a be a daily driver, and I'd like some modern look too it.
As always, to eaches own!
Also, my girlfriend loves my disco, perhaps I should have said that earlier, we're planning a Chicago - Baja trip together in the next year or two. If I drove a defender to my old high school, I'd get the negative response though, people are pinheads anyway.
Those G4 110's are sexy...
I also really like the interior of the new ones, I know the old one has charisma, but if I had one, it would a be a daily driver, and I'd like some modern look too it.
As always, to eaches own!
Pskhaat
2005 Expedition Trophy Champion
Incorrectgreenmeanie said:
Toyota takes their design ideas from Hyundai and GM and Audi; save the retro truck at SEMA I'm not quite sure Toyota is always gunning for the retro look though it may play off that way I say that in pure self-deprecation not in the context of bash, but Rover has and has always had 4WD design cues down to an absolute art.I don't care what Rover in any condition | upfit and I bet it inspires or at least alludes to travel in the vast majority. Event Range Rover's metail-cornered floor mats make me want to "get out."
Toyota does not. The newest LC200 looks like a 1980s Audi inside and has distinct Highlander lines from the turn of the century. :snorkel:
Anyway, you Rover guys & gals have some of the best looking vehicles in the world, you may complain but we're all envious.
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