My Angry Defender Rant.

[MuddyMudskipper]

Anyway, you Rover guys & gals have some of the best looking vehicles in the world, you may complain but we're all envious.

You'll never hear me complain.

 

[C Red]

After having 4 Land Rovers I switched over to a Toyota (FJC). It was a nice truck, I had a lot of fun building it up and wheelin it. In the end I missed the quirks, body lines, and the connection I feel when driving a LR. So I'm back and into a Defender for my trail/camping/fun rig. I smile every time I think about it.

I have great friends who love and wheel their Yotas, Jeeps, Zukis, and Hummers and LRs.

Drive what drives you. :safari-rig:

 

[zimm]

does anyone know if you can install the new rear seats in an old D110?

Is there anything that would prevent the install that comes to mind?

why not? youd just need a bracket.

better yet, go to scrap yard and get a set of rear jumpers from a honda element. compact, light, cleanable.

 

[greenmeanie]

I'm not sure where I saw it (D90.com maybe?) but someone has already gone through this. IIRC it is not just as simple as a bracket as I think the rear wheel arch has a notch profile cut in it to accommodate the mounting.

If you look at the top licture in the post above and look at the cover for the seat belt the profile along the bottom hints at it.

It's does not make it impossible to do - just a bit more involved.

 

[Blueboy]

I also really like the interior of the new ones, I know the old one has charisma,

keep in mind the dash layout changed in the latter year 110s.

the HVAC is probably better in the new config, yet, I liked the dash vents for fresh air which are now gone.

we had a 110 in Brasil and it was not considered unique as it was manufactured there so the "wow" factor never was part of ownership - which we liked considering the Country. it was a nice Rover and we drove it to many places/Countries.

however, as much as I liked the 110, I really, really like Blueboy - my hybrid '67 109 which is as capable as a 110 yet is a Series Rover.

if I could only have one or the other, I'd take the 109.

Jaime

 

[TeriAnn]

Terri -

I really enjoy your blog and information

rice burner is a pejorative expression that smacks of something else.

Rice burner is just a catch all therm for Japanese built vehicles I if it has any connotations I haven't heard of it.

I used to work in a group that had a lot of Italian motorcycle riders. They always referred to Japanese bikes as rice burners.

Geeze its getting so almost any word will offend someone.

 

[TeriAnn]

In the late nineties when I had one, I was shocked that the babes were actually into it! Appearances on MTV and 90120 didn't hurt. I rememeber sevaral instances where chicks wouldn 't talk to me until they saw me roll up in my D-90 wagon.

I had an interesting conversation years ago with the sales manager of San Jose Land Rover. He mentioned that they sold more Defenders to women than to men.

Also, he said that when a man comes in specifically looking for a Defender they spend a lot of time discussing mechanical & engine specs and along they way the salesman often up sells him to a more expensive fully loaded Disco or Range Rover. When a woman came in looking for a Defender she had made up her mind as to which vehicle she wanted and almost always resisted the up sell and drove off in a Defender.

On a different thread someone mentioned that he used his Series Land Rover (or Defender??) as a first date filter. He would always bring the Land Rover on a first date. If she was OK with it and agreeable to a second date then she was worth dating.

 

[TeriAnn]

I also really like the interior of the new ones, I know the old one has charisma, but if I had one, it would a be a daily driver, and I'd like some modern look too it.

Why they have a modern look to them! My 1960 109 looks a lot like a modern 110! How many 48 year old cars look like a modern new one!

 

[UnfrozenCaveman]

I had an interesting conversation years ago with the sales manager of San Jose Land Rover. He mentioned that they sold more Defenders to women than to men.

Hilarious....we wouldn't have the D90 if my lovely wife hadn't decided that she needed it instead of the Freeloader that she was driving.

KAA

 

[Z O O R O P A]

Rice burner is just a catch all therm for Japanese built vehicles I if it has any connotations I haven't heard of it.

I used to work in a group that had a lot of Italian motorcycle riders. They always referred to Japanese bikes as rice burners.

Geeze its getting so almost any word will offend someone.

Hey if you don't understand the implication, you don't understand the implication. Perhaps where you live or your lifestyle doesn't carry the potential connotations an expression like that can reference. But there is respect and there is thoughtfulness, I was under the impression Expo ( being a family oriented and international site and all ) was sensitive to considerations.

You don't have to be of any ethnicity to make a stand on such matters. The intent could easily be misguided but it sounds like you don't see it that way or you don't want to see it that way which is your choice

It is up to you to incorporate that philosophy or not. A simple attempt at understanding what pejorative expressions can imply or convey and finding a little more of a refined communication style or different choice of words might be a good idea, you know, to be considerate of others and all . . . . because they just might not see it the way you do and it won't cost you anything to do so

Rice burner leaves little to the imagination of its origin or its negative intent in the manner of which it is commonly used.

Taking a minute to have some thought put into the vocabulary you use on a community site that is about sharing experiences, trails, reviews, and technology should not be difficult. It is not an issue of style but more so for being appropriate.

You can always go to Discoweb.org or EE if you feel that is asking to much. They have different guidelines. I know many people come here specifically so they avoid these kinds of semantics. Hope that helps

I think it is healthy and important to discuss what is acceptable and what is not and why. I've had my moments where I certainly could have been more prudent in my selection of words. I don't see "working in a group of Italian motorcycle riders" would qualify you for anything other than overwhelming you with completely inappropriate expressions and slang lol being one myself . . .

Cheers

 

[Martinjmpr]

Rice burner is just a catch all therm for Japanese built vehicles I if it has any connotations I haven't heard of it.

I used to work in a group that had a lot of Italian motorcycle riders. They always referred to Japanese bikes as rice burners.

Geeze its getting so almost any word will offend someone.

The "rice burner" term has been used as a pejorative by a lot of Harley riders, though like a lot of people who ride japanese bikes, I've pretty much embraced the term. I even have a sticker on my helmet that says "I love the smell of burnt rice."

 

[Martinjmpr]

I also want that orange color, you know from dukes of hazard.

Great idea! Paint a Union Jack on the roof and call it the "General Cornwallis" :xxrotflma

 

[4Rescue]

As everyone keepas saying, it's all about supply and demand. It happens with all desirable vehicles, look for a 426 Hemi- Challenger and tell me what you find... It's kind of the same with old SFA Toyotas and 1st Gen 4 Runners. there were hundered of thousands more of these (versus NAS Defenders) available in the US and yet to find a rust free cosmeticaly straight and mechanicaly soud version of either of these trucks can cost quite a bit considereing how low-tech and gutless they are. Rarity is the biggest motivating factor for price increases. As for the perception that they're synonymous with the outback and Africa... Those who've been there and worked in these environments know that the 70 Series Cruiser and Nissan Patrol far outnumber Land Rovers. In this respect it is more of a perception thing based on a time long passed. You want spendy??? try importing the king of all expo rigs(outside fo the MOG), the LC78 Troupy and you truly will go bonkers trying to get your head around the cost.

Wether it's "worth it" is entirely up to you. Personaly I'd go with a Series Rover of my choice and start from the ground up. One of the neatest things about these trucks (series Rovers, not too sure about the Defenders in this respect) is, as Terri-Ann always says, the ability for these trucks to be changed and modified and bolted to like a mobile erector set. To me perfection would be a 109 Series III with the combonation grille using both narrow mount and fender mount lights and a full Toyota Diesel power/drive train from a 70 or 80 series or even a D4D/1KZ-T Hillux...

Cheers

Dave

 

[MuddyMudskipper]

Hey if you don't understand the implication, you don't understand the implication. Perhaps where you live or your lifestyle doesn't carry the potential connotations an expression like that can reference. But there is respect and there is thoughtfulness, I was under the impression Expo ( being a family oriented and international site and all ) was sensitive to considerations.

You don't have to be of any ethnicity to make a stand on such matters. The intent could easily be misguided but it sounds like you don't see it that way or you don't want to see it that way which is your choice

It is up to you to incorporate that philosophy or not. A simple attempt at understanding what pejorative expressions can imply or convey and finding a little more of a refined communication style or different choice of words might be a good idea, you know, to be considerate of others and all . . . . because they just might not see it the way you do and it won't cost you anything to do so

Rice burner leaves little to the imagination of its origin or its negative intent in the manner of which it is commonly used.

Taking a minute to have some thought put into the vocabulary you use on a community site that is about sharing experiences, trails, reviews, and technology should not be difficult. It is not an issue of style but more so for being appropriate.

You can always go to Discoweb.org or EE if you feel that is asking to much. They have different guidelines. I know many people come here specifically so they avoid these kinds of semantics. Hope that helps

I think it is healthy and important to discuss what is acceptable and what is not and why. I've had my moments where I certainly could have been more prudent in my selection of words. I don't see "working in a group of Italian motorcycle riders" would qualify you for anything other than overwhelming you with completely inappropriate expressions and slang lol being one myself . . .

Cheers

Well put Zoo! :clapsmile

 

[zimm]

Hey if you don't understand the implication, you don't understand the implication. Perhaps where you live or your lifestyle doesn't carry the potential connotations an expression like that can reference. But there is respect and there is thoughtfulness, I was under the impression Expo ( being a family oriented and international site and all ) was sensitive to considerations.

You don't have to be of any ethnicity to make a stand on such matters. The intent could easily be misguided but it sounds like you don't see it that way or you don't want to see it that way which is your choice

It is up to you to incorporate that philosophy or not. A simple attempt at understanding what pejorative expressions can imply or convey and finding a little more of a refined communication style or different choice of words might be a good idea, you know, to be considerate of others and all . . . . because they just might not see it the way you do and it won't cost you anything to do so

Rice burner leaves little to the imagination of its origin or its negative intent in the manner of which it is commonly used.

Taking a minute to have some thought put into the vocabulary you use on a community site that is about sharing experiences, trails, reviews, and technology should not be difficult. It is not an issue of style but more so for being appropriate.

You can always go to Discoweb.org or EE if you feel that is asking to much. They have different guidelines. I know many people come here specifically so they avoid these kinds of semantics. Hope that helps

I think it is healthy and important to discuss what is acceptable and what is not and why. I've had my moments where I certainly could have been more prudent in my selection of words. I don't see "working in a group of Italian motorcycle riders" would qualify you for anything other than overwhelming you with completely inappropriate expressions and slang lol being one myself . . .

Cheers

thanks for over the top contribution and thread derail. since youre concerned about appropriate, try a pm next time.