NEW ARB Snatch Block

michaelgroves

Explorer
teotwaki said:
Pulley Diameter is 4.33"

Specifications:

working load: 19,800lb
breaking strength: 38,500lb
side plate material: 1/5" cold rolled steel
pulley material: specialized polymer
pulley diameter: 4 1/3"
cable size: 1/3" - 1/2"
weight: 5.3lb



(I don't own one)

Nice to see both working load and breaking strengths quoted. It's designated a "9000", presumably because it's suited to a 9000lb winch. But with a reasonable (two-fold) margin between breaking strength (38,500) and working load (19,800), I guess you could still use it on a 12000lb winch. (The strain on the block is twice whatever the winch is pulling).
 

jcbrandon

Explorer
IH8RDS said:
They are pretty pricy for a snach block, but I havent seen one in person.

Compare to the heavy duty models from Warn. The ARB unit is a lot less money. ARB: working load, 20,000 pounds; price $80, Warn: 24,000 pounds; $140.

I'm guessing the ARB unit is called the 9000 because it is rated in kilos; 9,000 kilograms equals 19,800 pounds.

Here's a good explanation of snatch blocks:
http://www.dodgepowerwagon.com/glovebox/snatch.html
 

michaelgroves

Explorer
jcbrandon said:
I'm guessing the ARB unit is called the 9000 because it is rated in kilos; 9,000 kilograms equals 19,800 pounds.
Doh! Yes, of course - ARB is Australian, and metric.

jcbrandon said:
Here's a good explanation of snatch blocks:
http://www.dodgepowerwagon.com/glovebox/snatch.html

Yes, good article. He's spot-on with his comments about people using under-rated snatch blocks, especially with the big 12K and 15K winches. (I think he's dead wrong about hydraulic winches being more likely to break things than electric winches, though. The pull rating on hydraulics is pretty much always based on the pressure relief valve setting, so tends to be pretty accurate - it just stops pulling when it reaches the rated load. An electric winch, on the other hand, puts some very unpredictable strains on the line just when it stalls out.)
 

ntsqd

Heretic Car Camper
One thing I rarely see mentioned in talking about sheaves (pulleys) and snatch blocks is minimum bend radius of the working line. Each type & diameter of cable, line, rope, whatever you want to call it has a minimum bend radius. Most manufacturer's publish this info. Using a sheave of a smaller radius starts to break down the line itself.

A designer who knows what he or she is doing will set the sheave's diameter such that for the intended maximum load the largest likely cable isn't bent smaller than it's minimum bend radius. Using such a block with a larger than expected line, even though you are still within the maximum load limit of the block, is detrimental to the line itself (& potentially dangerous) because the sheave's diameter is too small.

Other than actually hauling it around, it never hurts to use a sheave of an overly large diameter.

The block Roberto found looks to me like a well thought out project. I'm not sure that it's a production part intended for the military as it looks too much like a prototype part.
 

roberto

Adventurer
I bought the military pulley from www.sprucemt.com or something like that for $100 which was his last one, its at home and I am deployed overseas so I will post more pics when I return in a few weeks. Its worth a shot anyways?

Roberto
 
Fancy pants new pulley, eh?

Interesting that Will's "Black rat" looks exactly like the ARB branded one I've been dragging around for the past several years.

I've never needed it for vehicle recovery, but have used it when felling a tree that was a little close to the side for the house for SWMBO's confort.

Tied the pulley block off to a nearby tree and pulled on it while cutting the tree. It fell predictably in line with the since cable and the house was safe ;)

KAA
 

tdesanto

Expedition Leader
SOCALFJ said:
Anyone use it yet? Kurt at Cruiseroutfitters mentioned he saw it in person in the snatch block thread a while back.
But I never read anyone actually using one.

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Press release PDF:http://www.arbusa.com/New_Products/snatch-block-9000.pdf?PHPSESSID=8266a2f8d82541467d902c52469e3dbe

I have one and have used it a couple times already. It's very, very nice.
I also have their older one, the 7000kg.
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I like the newer one better, since it's a bit stronger and a bit easier to handle.
Both are very nice equipment though.
 

madizell

Explorer
michaelgroves said:
Nice to see both working load and breaking strengths quoted. It's designated a "9000", presumably because it's suited to a 9000lb winch. But with a reasonable (two-fold) margin between breaking strength (38,500) and working load (19,800), I guess you could still use it on a 12000lb winch. (The strain on the block is twice whatever the winch is pulling).

The strain would be "up to" double the line load depending on the application of anchor points and the line angles, but using a winch capable of exceeding half the block's rating in single line pull puts you into test pilot territory. Better, I think, to get a snatch block rated for your application (24,000 pounds). I use a 24,000 pound ARB block on an 8,000 pound winch and have distorted the frame of the block just by using it as intended. If "failure is not an option" I would not overload a snatch block.
 

Beowulf

Expedition Leader
Well some time has passed and I am sure there have been a few times when expo members have used this new ARB unit. How are they holding up over the long run? Any nit picky complaints come to mind?
 

ExpeditionJeep

New member
I doubt you'll find a broken or damaged one. I've been running one for a while with no problems and as I understand it the load rating was as high as ARB could produce through either the maximum size steel or synthetic line under an operating actual through the pulley load. In other words, the cable broke in every case before the snatch block began to fail thus they could only rate the block as high as the rope/cable would fail at. That's why there is no minimum destruction rating. It's unknown with current wire rope/plasma capacities.
Marc
 

cruiseroutfit

Well-known member
One neat thing about the composite pulley, it deforms and then "springs" back to shape (has a memory). Take a look at a normal steel pulley that has seen extended use with a wire rope, the pulley surface is often pretty nasty, all added friction. The composite pulley reduces much of that.
 

4hilux

Observer
cowboy4x4 said:
I actually got to fondle one of the ARB's yesterday while at Manafre..it was nice......


Lols mate..........!! One of the benefits of the new ARB one, is that its virtually impossible for the cable to go down the 'outside' of the pulley..........

As with most ARB stuff - its just seriously 'cool'............;)
 

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