whitethaiger
Adventurer
BajaTaco said:There will be plenty!< sipping while looking at overland map
Where'd you get that map?
Overland Road Planning Thread: (7/21-23/06)
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Where'd you get that map?
BajaTaco
Swashbuckler
whitethaiger said:
Thus far, it is imaginary (we're counting on Scott's visit to the museum tomorrow). The best I have found is this..
http://www.sharlot.org/archives/maps/map131.html
crawler#976
Expedition Leader
That's all I've found too - it's current from the Kiabab NF., and is the same map shown at the trail heads. Hopefully Scott will see a historical map at the SHM.
Scott e-mailed me earlier and asked about crossing the Verde on the original route. My best guess is it went over the Verde at or near present day Perkinsville, that avoids the major cliffs on the upper Verde The other opportunity is near the confluence of Hell Canyon and the Verde. We used to be able to cross at the confluence, but those trails have been closed for many years now. Neat place to hike tho...
Perkinsville is at: N34.901 W112.197
The confluence is at: N34.918 W112.277
We also used to be able to cross at the Gas Pipeline. It was a blast - you could cross there and come out on Verde Ranch Rd., or head down stream, and, if the river was low, get to the confluence and exit to the north. On the way is a neat Cliff dwelling at King's Canyon. The Gas Pipeline crossing property is now owned by the Nature Conservency and is closed to motorized access. The pipeline ford is at N34.895 W112.335. It could also have been a crossing point, but since Hell Canyon would still have to be crossed somewhere, I'd guess it's not as likely.
Scott e-mailed me earlier and asked about crossing the Verde on the original route. My best guess is it went over the Verde at or near present day Perkinsville, that avoids the major cliffs on the upper Verde The other opportunity is near the confluence of Hell Canyon and the Verde. We used to be able to cross at the confluence, but those trails have been closed for many years now. Neat place to hike tho...
Perkinsville is at: N34.901 W112.197
The confluence is at: N34.918 W112.277
We also used to be able to cross at the Gas Pipeline. It was a blast - you could cross there and come out on Verde Ranch Rd., or head down stream, and, if the river was low, get to the confluence and exit to the north. On the way is a neat Cliff dwelling at King's Canyon. The Gas Pipeline crossing property is now owned by the Nature Conservency and is closed to motorized access. The pipeline ford is at N34.895 W112.335. It could also have been a crossing point, but since Hell Canyon would still have to be crossed somewhere, I'd guess it's not as likely.
Scott Brady
Founder
In the low 50's with the posibility of rain. :camping:
crawler#976
Expedition Leader
Point forecast for the area we'll be in, at an elevation of 6900' - we could be up to 300 higher or lower...
Friday: Partly cloudy. Chance of thunderstorms. Southeast wind 5 mph. High 80.
Friday Night: Partly cloudy. Slight chance of thunderstorms. Low 55.
Saturday: Partly cloudy. Chance of thunderstorms. High 79.
Saturday Night: Partly cloudy. Chance of thunderstorms. Low 54.
Sunday: Partly cloudy. Chance of thunderstorms. High 79.
Friday: Partly cloudy. Chance of thunderstorms. Southeast wind 5 mph. High 80.
Friday Night: Partly cloudy. Slight chance of thunderstorms. Low 55.
Saturday: Partly cloudy. Chance of thunderstorms. High 79.
Saturday Night: Partly cloudy. Chance of thunderstorms. Low 54.
Sunday: Partly cloudy. Chance of thunderstorms. High 79.
Scott Brady
Founder
CB: Channel 4
2M: 146.460
2M: 146.460
whitethaiger
Adventurer
BX, are there any 2m repeaters in the area we might be able to use?
Scott Brady
Founder
Here is the rough route: Mark and I will spend some time refining tomorrow
TOPO! GPS Data Format DegMin NAD83 ElevFeet UTC-Time
FT WHPPLE,34,33.051,-112,27.439,5322,07/19/2006,23:31:57,
DEL RIO,34,49.616,-112,27.444,4433,07/19/2006,23:33:17,
E OFF 89,34,54.240,-112,27.786,4439,07/20/2006,06:20:37,
CROSS RR,34,54.301,-112,26.158,4590,07/20/2006,06:21:15,
OR 1,34,55.529,-112,22.461,4659,07/20/2006,06:24:51,
DEEP TNK,34,55.965,-112,20.816,4446,07/20/2006,06:25:55,
OR2,34,56.021,-112,22.401,4610,07/20/2006,06:25:32,
PAGE FLAT,34,56.545,-112,21.733,4542,07/20/2006,06:25:41,
KNG SPRNG,34,56.730,-112,19.650,4219,07/20/2006,06:22:29,
OR3,34,56.982,-112,19.892,4432,07/20/2006,06:26:23,
173 PRK RD,34,57.926,-112,15.762,4555,07/20/2006,06:16:50,
OR4,34,58.262,-112,18.480,4449,07/20/2006,06:26:39,
DRAKE RD,34,59.246,-112,18.463,4533,07/20/2006,06:26:48,
BANDT TANK,35,04.788,-112,12.544,6399,07/17/2006,00:27:24,
BEAR SPR,35,05.198,-112,10.806,6621,07/17/2006,00:25:38,
DAV TANK,35,06.359,-112,10.528,6781,07/17/2006,00:22:47,
SCOTT TNK,35,06.393,-111,48.572,7165,07/20/2006,06:09:12,
LO SPRNG,35,07.576,-111,53.400,6970,07/20/2006,06:10:20,
POM TANK,35,08.357,-112,00.473,6681,07/17/2006,00:34:21,
SHEEP TNK,35,08.435,-111,55.372,6765,07/20/2006,06:10:50,
RGRS LAKE,35,08.529,-111,46.832,7269,07/20/2006,06:08:53,
CCC CMP,35,09.016,-112,09.103,7083,07/17/2006,00:30:45,
DHRSE TANK,35,09.051,-112,07.360,7051,07/17/2006,00:23:49,
WHT RANCH,35,09.282,-112,03.370,6678,07/17/2006,00:31:56,
DOW SPRNG,35,09.297,-111,59.137,6722,07/17/2006,00:34:31,
BG SPRNG,35,09.476,-112,04.852,6824,07/17/2006,00:31:12,
OR 16,35,10.867,-111,41.678,7100,07/19/2006,23:41:20,
ANTLP SPR,35,11.836,-111,39.618,6966,07/20/2006,06:07:54,
TOPO! GPS Data Format DegMin NAD83 ElevFeet UTC-Time
FT WHPPLE,34,33.051,-112,27.439,5322,07/19/2006,23:31:57,
DEL RIO,34,49.616,-112,27.444,4433,07/19/2006,23:33:17,
E OFF 89,34,54.240,-112,27.786,4439,07/20/2006,06:20:37,
CROSS RR,34,54.301,-112,26.158,4590,07/20/2006,06:21:15,
OR 1,34,55.529,-112,22.461,4659,07/20/2006,06:24:51,
DEEP TNK,34,55.965,-112,20.816,4446,07/20/2006,06:25:55,
OR2,34,56.021,-112,22.401,4610,07/20/2006,06:25:32,
PAGE FLAT,34,56.545,-112,21.733,4542,07/20/2006,06:25:41,
KNG SPRNG,34,56.730,-112,19.650,4219,07/20/2006,06:22:29,
OR3,34,56.982,-112,19.892,4432,07/20/2006,06:26:23,
173 PRK RD,34,57.926,-112,15.762,4555,07/20/2006,06:16:50,
OR4,34,58.262,-112,18.480,4449,07/20/2006,06:26:39,
DRAKE RD,34,59.246,-112,18.463,4533,07/20/2006,06:26:48,
BANDT TANK,35,04.788,-112,12.544,6399,07/17/2006,00:27:24,
BEAR SPR,35,05.198,-112,10.806,6621,07/17/2006,00:25:38,
DAV TANK,35,06.359,-112,10.528,6781,07/17/2006,00:22:47,
SCOTT TNK,35,06.393,-111,48.572,7165,07/20/2006,06:09:12,
LO SPRNG,35,07.576,-111,53.400,6970,07/20/2006,06:10:20,
POM TANK,35,08.357,-112,00.473,6681,07/17/2006,00:34:21,
SHEEP TNK,35,08.435,-111,55.372,6765,07/20/2006,06:10:50,
RGRS LAKE,35,08.529,-111,46.832,7269,07/20/2006,06:08:53,
CCC CMP,35,09.016,-112,09.103,7083,07/17/2006,00:30:45,
DHRSE TANK,35,09.051,-112,07.360,7051,07/17/2006,00:23:49,
WHT RANCH,35,09.282,-112,03.370,6678,07/17/2006,00:31:56,
DOW SPRNG,35,09.297,-111,59.137,6722,07/17/2006,00:34:31,
BG SPRNG,35,09.476,-112,04.852,6824,07/17/2006,00:31:12,
OR 16,35,10.867,-111,41.678,7100,07/19/2006,23:41:20,
ANTLP SPR,35,11.836,-111,39.618,6966,07/20/2006,06:07:54,
Scott Brady
Founder
My time at the Sharlot Hall was excellent. The archives were an ease and pleasure to use, including reviewing 100 year old maps. The combination of maps, accounts and most importantly water stop names provided enough detail.
Each different resource solved or contributed to resolving another mystery. The route will be very close to the original.
FOR THE TRIP REPORT THREAD- GO HERE
Each different resource solved or contributed to resolving another mystery. The route will be very close to the original.
FOR THE TRIP REPORT THREAD- GO HERE
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