U5000 and camper

mogwildRW1

Adventurer
Charlie,

I talked with Thomas at Unicat and he recommends the Zetros since there will be three of us traveling.

Personally I would prefer the Unimog, but based on what Bill Caid has stated on his website, the Zetros should be able to get me to where I would want to go.

I asked about U4000 6x6. He said that it`s underpowered.

Any thoughts?

I can't comment on the U4000 6x6, but there was some discussion on another board about the U2450 6x6, and them being underpowered, and having two major points of failure, the transmission being to weak for the load, and the rear drive-shaft that drives the rear axle pulling the splines off, again, maybe its been fixed with the U4000 6x6, but its something to research further.

I think the Zetro's would take you anywhere you'd need to go and back again if you needed the GVW, there big units though.
 
Get the Zetros (6x6?).
A U4/5000 will be underpowered with an extra axle.
By the way, if you spend time at Benzworld.org/unimog, you will
clearly see the top two problem areas of older Mogs are portals and
air systems.
Why should we discourage someone with the means from buying a
new Mog? particularly with Japan's rules re older vehicles.

Charlie
 
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DKM

Guest
Yes, Zetros!

I have looked over there, but couldn`t find much on the Zetros. Found a lot on the Unimog, but like you said lots of problems with portals and air systems on the older models.

An older model Unimog is definitely out of the question. And now that Unicat has suggested the Zetros, I think I may go that way. He did mention Hino too, but I would prefer a truck that was built for off-road use.

Japan is a strange country, before I came over here a friend mentioned that tagging and insuring an older vehicle was opposite with regard to what it is in the US, i.e., the older a vehicle is the more it costs to get it tagged and insured. That`s why there are very few older vehicles on the road here. Remarkably, just about any vehicle can be imported into Japan. I have seen brand new Dodge trucks, which are huge on Japanese roads. Most Americans think that other countries are protectionist, but the US is just as guilty if not more. I will say this much though, all of the commercial trucks that I have seen have been Hino, Mitsubishi, Nissan, i.e., Japanese.

Even the Japanese know what good quality is, I think that`s why so many of them drive German automobiles.
 

grizzlyj

Tea pot tester
Why should we discourage someone with the means from buying a
new Mog?

Charlie

Because thats my opinion :)

If I had the means and was going to have a nice Unicat camper on a Mog chassis, I would buy a U2150L38 and have it remade like new by the likes of Hellgeth.


I agree that the engine in isolation will run on a variety of diesels, but can you definitely get the ECU fixed to be happy with no AdBlue and having rejigged the exhaust? If so I bow to your superior knowledge :)


Good luck with whatever truck you end up with DKM!

Jason

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mogwildRW1

Adventurer
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A Mongolian business man had one built

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DKM

Guest
I didn`t hear anything back from Unicat so I went over to Action Mobil`s website. They have already built one of their campers on the 4x4 Zetros. I like it, but...

They didn`t seem very impressed with the Zetros platform. The wheel base is long but the camper ends up being shorter. "We do not recommend the Zetros but some people like it for optical reasons..." Since there will be three of us traveling so it was suggested that I look into the 6x6, but again they didn`t seem impressed with it either. Basically the engine is greatly under powered for such a large camper. It was suggested that I look into the MAN TGA. I know absolutely nothing about MAN and cannot find any info on the off-road TGA other than what I have found on Unicat`s website. I would really prefer CTIS and an automatic transmission because I`m too lazy to get out and air up/down the tires and my wife needs to be able to drive occasionally, hence the automatic. The MAN TGA doesn`t have CTIS.

I wasn`t keen on the Zetros when I first saw it, but it started to grow on me the more I read about it. Maybe Mercedes needs to reconsider their engine choices. That`s another reason why I decided against the U5000, the engine is insufficient.
 
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DKM

Guest
This is how Action Mobil airs up/down. Probably not a bad system, but still manual.
 

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Victorian

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For the right amount of money, you can certainly get a MAN with Ctis....
Having traveled a lot myself and living on a popular overland route I have seen and talked to many world travelers. They all wished/recommended a as small as possible vehicle. Think about mountain passes, visiting inner cities, getting to and into campgrounds. Many campgrounds wont even let you in of fear of getting their grounds damaged by big trucks... Trust me, I have seen it...

I would really re-think your wish of building a 6x6 or similar. You will thank me for that :sombrero: Also think about the route you want to take. Most overlanders are traveling 99% on tarmac. Ever wondered who could/would pull your 16 ton truck out of the mud if the sh...t hits the fan? Just saying :)

Anyhow, I wish you best of luck and happy travels!

A
 
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DKM

Guest
Victorian, thanks for the feedback.

I didn`t know that the MAN could even be fitted with CTIS. I received a brochure from Action Mobil on how the retrofit the system in the photos above. The air pressure is preset and then each hose is attached. When the pressure researches the preset it shuts of automatically. Which means that I wouldn`t have to air each tire up or down.
Set it and go off and do another task.

Actually, I agree, a 6x6 is too big and the wife would prefer a smaller vehicle.

So I left with trying to figure out how to stick the three of us in something smaller without stepping on each others toes.

Maybe I should just consider using the dinette for sleeping as well.
 
I can say from experience that a 7.5m 12 ton truck is big enough, some times too big (when bogged; only once badly).
Try to make do with a 9-12 ton 4X4.

Charlie
 

HumphreyBear

Adventurer
DKM - did Action Mobil say why they don't recommend the Zetros, both the 4x4 and 6x6? I've been curious why I haven't seen more of these appearing as overland campers, and perhaps they have a solid reason I can't fathom from (as yet) afar? The Australian Army has shortlisted (now down to two vehicle types) the 4x4 version and I understand that the bullet proof RHD vehicle they brought to Australia for testing was very well received in terms of off-road capability, portability and comfort (whilst also being able to stop 7.62mm and 556 NATO machine gun rounds! :0) ). They are tendering to replace the Unimog fleet and are being functionally compared with the Army's Unimogs.

I understand the length issue, but I had heard that the 430hp model was a better power-weight ratio (for the 6x6). I could imagine that the bloated 'Mongolian wolf hunter mobiles' might struggle but have heard only positive stories on the Zetros? Is it mostly cost?

Any information would be appreciated.

Cheers,
Humphrey
 
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DKM

Guest
Basically he said that because the driver's cab is extremely long it reduces the size of the camper on the 4x4 by about 90 cm, but some people prefer it because it looks nice (coo).

On the 6x6 he recommended the Actros or MAN due to the wheelbase and sufficient HP (330).

He didn't mention cost being a factor.

Are the MANs really expedition worthy? I have seen the videos on Youtube, but haven't found any real world unbiased information.
 
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DKM

Guest
I took a look at his website. Lots of good info. I see that he changed from a Unimog to a MAN. I might just try that.
 

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