Virgin steel fairlead and Amsteel Blue?

[garrett]

I can't see friction against the hawse getting heat high enough to melt the rope. The dang thing with cut like warm butter on an ehaust pipe thou. Heat is a problem for sure but friction induced heat when using it seems like a strech. Has this ever caused a problem or is it hypothetical?

I liked the weight reduction of the aluminum hawse. All the mods add up so it's nice to actually drop a few pounds every now and then.

Winching in synthetic rope for extended periods at angles that would induce heat are incorrect from a logistics point of view. There is no reason to have the rope at extreme angels on any kind of fairlead. If that is the case the operation has been set up incorrectly. The further away you get from a staight line pull, the "weaker" your recovery is. With the addition of snatch blocks at proper locations there should never been extended periods of time where the rope is producing heat at the fairlead. There are exceptions of course, but generally speaking.

But to assume that hawse fairleads are better is completely incorrect.

 

[Stumpalump]

Winching in synthetic rope for extended periods at angles that would induce heat are incorrect from a logistics point of view. There is no reason to have the rope at extreme angels on any kind of fairlead. If that is the case the operation has been set up incorrectly. The further away you get from a staight line pull, the "weaker" your recovery is. With the addition of snatch blocks at proper locations there should never been extended periods of time where the rope is producing heat at the fairlead. There are exceptions of course, but generally speaking.

But to assume that hawse fairleads are better is completely incorrect.

Better for the line or better to loose weight and not have the roller sticking out front. I allways seem to bend them so the rollers don't spin so going to an aluminum hawse is better if you drive like me! :smiley_drive: heck I even gouge up the aluminum hawse so I have to sand and polish the cuts and nicks out of it too.

 

[RHINO]

should i assume this whole right angle/pinching concern is for the rare event you cant use proper rigging?

 

[garrett]

should i assume this whole right angle/pinching concern is for the rare event you cant use proper rigging?

Have a look at a roller fairlead and explain to me where and how this "pinching" is even possible.

 

[garrett]

Better for the line or better to loose weight and not have the roller sticking out front. I allways seem to bend them so the rollers don't spin so going to an aluminum hawse is better if you drive like me! :smiley_drive: heck I even gouge up the aluminum hawse so I have to sand and polish the cuts and nicks out of it too.

The weight issue is insignificant to me. I mean do we all think about what we are packing in our trucks when we go for a weekend or week long trip in order to conserve weight? Packing an extra few bottles of Coke will equal the weight you are saving by using a hawse over a roller.

Even the syn rope switch back in 2000 for me was never a weight issue. It was always about safety. I finally replaced my original Masterpull line last year that I had for 8 years. It was overdue.

 

[RHINO]

Have a look at a roller fairlead and explain to me where and how this "pinching" is even possible.

i dont know why your directing that to me because i'm not concerned about pinching i'm concerned about why its a concern.

 

[Stumpalump]

The weight issue is insignificant to me. I mean do we all think about what we are packing in our trucks when we go for a weekend or week long trip in order to conserve weight? Packing an extra few bottles of Coke will equal the weight you are saving by using a hawse over a roller.

Even the syn rope switch back in 2000 for me was never a weight issue. It was always about safety. I finally replaced my original Masterpull line last year that I had for 8 years. It was overdue.

The total weight savings from going to synthetic and an aluminum hawse is 25lbs. Taking 25 off of the very nose of a light vehicle can be noticed when driving. You can feel it. A few lbs off the front end is just a plus. FWIW even if it added 25lbs synthetic line rules and if the weight savings can swing at least one person into getting rid of that steel line then the trails will be safer for everyone. Synthetic rules in every way except abrastion and when it hits your muffler pipe but you learn to work around that. Anybody need another reason to switch? Take your old steel line and string it between two trees in your back yard. Use your snatch block and a handle on it to make a zip line. You will say weeee as you fly across your yard like Tarzan. just make sure the down hill tree has the cable low enough so you can drag your feet to stop. Don't ask me how we fiquired out that bit of rocket science:Wow1: