You can never have too much Recovery Gear!

[soonenough]

At one point I was getting really concerned that we weren't going to be able to get them unstuck. Then I don't know what we/they would have done...

Probably what he said:

I would have marked their location in my GPS, then tracked down the first Park Ranger I could find or called it in. Then the Ranger(s) could have dealt with them, most likely giving them a very large fine and some education in what they were doing wrong. This would hopefully teach them some respect to the lands we so commonly have closed because of activities like this. As it is, they got a "free pass" and learned nothing Since this was not a life or death situation, they could have waited for a Ranger to come.

 

[DirtRoads]

I agree with you. That was my assessment as well. I was 99% sure that we were okay. I would not have done it, if I thought there was any risk to my truck.


...however - there is TONS of force at work. It can be enough to bend a truck. This guy screwed himself by anchoring to another vehicle:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqCy7ZxVdgI

I think what got that guy in trouble is the way he was putting so much downward force on the rear of the frame. It looks like he has some kind of boom pulling from up high, in addition to the rover being much lower in elevation than the truck. If you are pulling from a somewhat level position from the front and rear, I would think the forces would line up more with the design of the truck and be much less stressful than say from the side or at some type of vertical angle.

I have done a triple line pull with my xd9000 with the truck anchored to a tree and haven't had any problems. Desperate times thou, I was quite nervous and wouldn't do it unless there was no other choice.

-drew

 

[nwoods]

It was BLM... We were in no-man's land.

Correction: you were in Every Man's land

 

[Scenic WonderRunner]

Write this number down and put it in yer Rigs! Just in case you find any more Pirates!:elkgrin:

http://www.parks.ca.gov/?page_id=638

Telephone .......760-767-5311

A job well done!


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[R_Lefebvre]

I agree with you. That was my assessment as well. I was 99% sure that we were okay. I would not have done it, if I thought there was any risk to my truck.


...however - there is TONS of force at work. It can be enough to bend a truck. This guy screwed himself by anchoring to another vehicle:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqCy7ZxVdgI

That had a lot more to do with the boom on the back of the truck torquing the frame.

 

[Antichrist]

For a long time my '62 88 had no brakes and I frequently did double line pulls with the 8274 I had on it. The only way to do anything was to anchor it to a tree or our tractor. I never saw any evidence of chassis damage.

 

[Tucson T4R]

Wow that was really nice of you guys to take that much time helping them. Maybe they'll do a better job of planning ahead next time.

One question SAR_Squid. I don't want to turn this into a recovery technique thread, but I remember reading somewhere that you don't want to anchor the back of your truck to something (another truck, a tree, etc) when you're winching because the forces involved try to stretch the frame out, which can permanently deform the frame; especially when you're winching something as heavy as a buried F-350. Your thoughts?

The owner’s manual for my last Warn winch described how to take your truck frame out of the equation when you need to anchor the truck.

Just run the anchor line or strap all the way up under your truck from the rear up to the winch mount or winch bumper and attach it there. All the pulling tension will be only on the winch and mounting hardware and your truck frame is just an innocent bystander.

I have used this a couple times and it works great as long as you have the open clearance under your truck to route the anchor line.

 

[soonenough]

The owner's manual for my last Warn winch described how to take your truck frame out of the equation when you need to anchor the truck.

Just run the anchor line or strap all the way up under your truck from the rear up to the winch mount or winch bumper and attach it there. All the pulling tension will be only on the winch and mounting hardware and your truck frame is just an innocent bystander.

That's a pretty cool idea, I'd never thought of that. [/hijack]

 

[StumpXJ]

That's a pretty cool idea, I'd never thought of that. [/hijack]

confused... can someone else re-word this to help my slowness understand it? I am not getting how this is helping to remove the tension from the trucks frame, when you have to tie off to another rig.

I did a pretty cool recovery/winching this weekend on Hilldweller, but it was a little different. Just wondering if it would have helped our situation.


~James

 

[crusader]

confused... can someone else re-word this to help my slowness understand it?

Here's a picture I made of it. In the top part, the back of the truck is anchored during winching. A pulling force is exerted throughout the whole chassis (frame) this way.

In the bottom of the pic, an anchoring strap was attached to the winch mounting plate or winch bumper, which is taking all the pulling force, eliminating the chassis (frame) from the equation.

Interesting concept, though I think if your chassis is sound and you're pulling relatively in line with the chassis (not levering it as you would with a tow truck boom and winch), you'll be all set. Still, an interesting concept...

 

[Tucson T4R]

You got it. The pictures show exactly what I was trying to describe. Thanks.

I got that out of the Warn winch owners manual years ago.

 

[StumpXJ]

Ahh... I guess I am a visual guy. That makes perfect sense and seems very simple.

Thanks!

~ James

 

[Tucson T4R]

Ahh... I guess I am a visual guy. That makes perfect sense and seems very simple.

Thanks!

~ James

It's our communication challenge between SW AZ guys and SE Georgia guys. It takes a translator from NE to bridge the gap. LOL :elkgrin:

 

[Funrover]

Good on you!

 

[StumpXJ]

It's our communication challenge between SW AZ guys and SE Georgia guys. It takes a translator from NE to bridge the gap. LOL :elkgrin:

LOL... exactly.

~ James