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It depends.
The guy driving this Subaru survived, don't know how...but he did.
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The guy driving this Subaru survived, don't know how...but he did.
https://www.idahopress.com/members/...cle_e09c4296-857b-11e3-a7d2-0019bb2963f4.html
DaveInDenver
Middle Income Semi-Redneck
Liability shifts to the owner. From the OEM's standpoint a V8 swapped Jeep is probably only for off road use.
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Why isn't the government going after them then? Is what I am asking. AEV swaps aren't labeled off-road use only, yeah?
DaveInDenver
Middle Income Semi-Redneck
Why must the government "go after" them? The risk is to you with respect to something that might happen. But what exactly? All the OEM is doing is complying with arbitrary bureaucracy, once you modify it it's no longer FCA's problem if putting a V8 means it potentially doesn't work the same in a crash test.
I dunno about AEV. Are they an OEM, sold through dealerships? No idea how it works.
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Not saying the government has to go after them....(**********' internet and lost in translation
)Asking how are they getting away with it, if it voids crash test? They are sold through dealerships, have a close relation with the OEM manufacture. Are sold street legal. How is AEV able to find a loop hole and FCA can't. Maybe AEV is the loophole for FCA???
Don't see it offered as an option on their website, and the kits state "Out of Stock" so maybe they aren't allowed to do it anymore???
https://www.aev-conversions.com/vehicles/jk-wrangler/
https://www.aev-conversions.com/product/jk-hemi-kit/
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I am wondering if it is like what Icon4X4 does. They basically pull a vin off an old vehicle and slap it on a new vehicle.
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Guess what they do is cut the vin off the frame and weld it to the new Morrison frame and call it a "Restoration"...which is about the only left from the old vehicle that had a ground up restoration.
That and pull off the old vin plate, and mount it to the the new body. How AEV gets around it, I don't know. Do they total them out of paper and do a reconstruction type thing? Then it would have a salvage title...which looks bad. Hell, I don't know! Ha!
https://news.pickuptrucks.com/2010/03/quick-drive-behind-the-wheel-of-the-120k-icon-fj45-pickup.html
Todd780
OverCamper
Huh. I'm pretty sure in the original 'Gone in 60 seconds' they did similar VIN swaps with junkyard wrecks and stolen cars, lol...Guess what they do is cut the vin off the frame and weld it to the new Morrison frame and call it a "Restoration"...which is about the only left from the old vehicle that had a ground up restoration.
That and pull off the old vin plate, and mount it to the the new body. How AEV gets around it, I don't know. Do they total them out of paper and do a reconstruction type thing? Then it would have a salvage title...which looks bad. Hell, I don't know! Ha!
https://news.pickuptrucks.com/2010/03/quick-drive-behind-the-wheel-of-the-120k-icon-fj45-pickup.html
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It is a bit of a gray area....
Pulled from that article I linked:
The Icon FJ45 is virtually a brand-new vehicle. Ward starts with an original FJ45 truck or chassis — which at this point is almost as hard to find in the U.S. as someone without an opinion about health care — and by the time he's done, he has delivered a new rig that looks vintage, but almost every component, from the wheels to the roof, is brand new and thoroughly modern. In fact, all that's carried over are a few inches of the donor truck's frame and the vehicle identification number plate so the truck doesn't have to be smogged.
AEV doesn't get around anything. They or their customers just haven't, as far as i know, been sued by an injury attorney for an "extra" injury level resulting from the non compliant vehicle.
Does anyone recall a couple years ago there was a case involving 'stinger' type front bumpers? The insurance company was denying coverage because the owner had put on a "hazardous" bumper, which cause excessive injuries when the driver T-boned another car. So the owner was being sued.
In the case of an engine swap, it would be much less visible of a cause of increased injury. So most likely, the point would never come up. But that doesn't mean it's compliant. And a smart insurance lawyer could use it against a claim if it ever came up.
Does anyone recall a couple years ago there was a case involving 'stinger' type front bumpers? The insurance company was denying coverage because the owner had put on a "hazardous" bumper, which cause excessive injuries when the driver T-boned another car. So the owner was being sued.
In the case of an engine swap, it would be much less visible of a cause of increased injury. So most likely, the point would never come up. But that doesn't mean it's compliant. And a smart insurance lawyer could use it against a claim if it ever came up.
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Wallygator
Adventurer
An doesn't the Lexus have a better rating than the 4 in the lab crash tests?
The only extra paperwork they would need to come up with is some EPA (or CARB if sold in Ca.) emissions compliance stuff. But even that is a technicality. As an aftermarket supplier, they're not 'REQUIRED' to certify anything. The OEM must certify its fully compliant when its first sold as a new vehicle. After that, the owner of the vehicle becomes fully responsible for its continued compliance. (And many, many things we change on our vehicles put them out of compliance with a lot of different laws.)
But law makers are starting to attack companies that produce or install non compliant equipment now. At the moment, I only directly know of emissions related cases here in California, but the precedent is now there. As an example, a motorcycle muffler company was basically fined out of existence, and now many muffler manufacturers won't even ship into Ca. since they can be held liable for fines. Same is happening for engine tuner chips/modules.
But law makers are starting to attack companies that produce or install non compliant equipment now. At the moment, I only directly know of emissions related cases here in California, but the precedent is now there. As an example, a motorcycle muffler company was basically fined out of existence, and now many muffler manufacturers won't even ship into Ca. since they can be held liable for fines. Same is happening for engine tuner chips/modules.