New Jeep Pick Up to be unveiled...The Gladiator

Clutch

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I think you mean it's BS because it seems like a double standard with how strict they are to the manufacturers but allow these companies to do whatever. An as far as "bring the hammer down", I feel that will have to do with which direction our government trends in the future. One side is pro business and the other is not so much.

Yeppers, you got it. Why is AEV allowed to get away with V8 Hemi swaps in a brand new vehicle sold at the dealer. And FCA isn't, makes little sense. Of course what is demanded by the government rarely does. :D

They are skating the rules and I don't care, I just wish I could afford one. :D

I don't care either...cool that they are getting away with it. But dare I say, I am liking what the FJ Company is doing better...pretty much using all Toyota parts.

https://www.fj.co/detail/1984-Land-Cruiser-G43-S_397

It's like your opinion, man. Can't believe I got trolled into yet another "Clutch Hates on Icon" thread.

Uh? Wasn't trying to troll you Dave, and I don't hate Icon...love what they do, but they are skating the laws for what is required for new vehicles.

With their Derelicts, Reformers and even the Bronco, would call those restorations since they do have some original parts left. Where-as the FJ's and CJ's do not.
 
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DaveInDenver

Middle Income Semi-Redneck
I don't care either...cool that they are getting away with it. But dare I say, I am liking what the FJ Company is doing better...pretty much using all Toyota parts.

Uh? Wasn't trying to troll you Dave, and I don't hate Icon...love what they do, but they are skating the laws for what is required for new vehicles.

With their Derelicts, Reformers and even the Bronco, would call those restorations since they do have some original parts left. Where-as the FJ's and CJ's do not.
Fer Goodness sakes, the FJ Company is using supercharged 1GRs and H150F transmissions, coil conversions in the front of 43 chassis that were never available in the U.S. with digital dash boards, VSC, ABS. It's no more "original" FJ40 than an Icon. The ship on what exactly constitutes a real FJ40 sailed a long, long time ago. There's probably more of them running small block Chevy + 4L60 now than F motors and H42s and they have no qualms with it at TLCA events. There's a few people who want TLCA to be a shrine, a Concours club or whatever. I'm just glad someone is saving the old iron at all. Trying to keep anything pre-1990 at all original and on the road is not for the faint of heart. Colorado doesn't make keeping even 80 series (which if you're keeping tabs is up to 1997) simple anymore. Try finding an EGR for a 3FE. It's impossible, Toyota discontinued them long ago. I think for the 1FZ, too. It's cheaper and easier to drop in a LS crate motor than to bother trying to hobble together the patchwork of emissions junk on old trucks.

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Clutch

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Fer Goodness sakes, the FJ Company is using supercharged 1GRs and H150F transmissions, coil conversions in the front of 43 chassis that were never available in the U.S. with digital dash boards, VSC, ABS. It's no more "original" FJ40 than an Icon. The ship on what exactly constitutes a real FJ40 sailed a long, long time ago. There's probably more of them running small block Chevy + 4L60 now than F motors and H42s and they have no qualms with it at TLCA events. There's a few people who want TLCA to be a shrine, a Concours club or whatever. I'm just glad someone is saving the old iron at all. Trying to keep anything pre-1990 at all original and on the road is not for the faint of heart. Colorado doesn't make keeping even 80 series (which if you're keeping tabs is up to 1997) simple anymore. Try finding an EGR for a 3FE. It's impossible, Toyota discontinued them long ago. I think for the 1FZ, too. It's cheaper and easier to drop in a LS crate motor than to bother trying to hobble together the patchwork of emissions junk on old trucks.

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Are you feeling ok? Did a cat use your Honey-Nut Cheerios as a liter box today? LOL

I like what the FJ is doing because they are keeping mostly Toyota, who cares of the era of Toyota.

While there is nothing Toyota on the Icons....hey I like LS, NV 4500 and Atlas cases, Dana diffs and all that jazz. Just think the FJ Company is just a bit cooler for trying to keep it mostly Toyota, and not trying to look like a Toyota.

Also like what Toy Only Swaps is doing.

https://www.toyonlyswaps.com

Rtech Fab is pretty cool what they are doing with old Chevy's, those never existed from the factory.

https://www.rtechfabrications.com

Hey aren't we supposed to be talking about Jeeps anyways? :p Heck, I was just wondering how AEV can do brand new V8's and FCA can't that was all...geesh!
 
I think anyone can build a custom vehicle and if it meets emissions get it licensed. I think that is probably limit as to how many an be built and sold before it moves to the category that requires crash testing. That way they can sell up to whatever that number of vehicles is. Builders of homes have to build a certain number before they are considered a“mass producer”. Which carries. A legal definition for construction defect cases. That is different from custom home builders. Just my guess.
 

Clutch

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I think anyone can build a custom vehicle and if it meets emissions get it licensed. I think that is probably limit as to how many an be built and sold before it moves to the category that requires crash testing. That way they can sell up to whatever that number of vehicles is. Builders of homes have to build a certain number before they are considered a“mass producer”. Which carries. A legal definition for construction defect cases. That is different from custom home builders. Just my guess.

Think you're right, was checking my state laws about swapping in a LS in a Tacoma. It has to meet that years emissions requirements.

Still find it odd that I can go down to my local Jeep dealer and order one from AEV with a V8, and not directly from the factory. Both sold side by side on the dealer lot, yet the AEV gets a free pass. Makes it even weirder that AEV works directly with FCA. Not like they are a lone one off custom shop.
 

Bobzdar

Observer
Something to also think about is that we're not talking about how WELL it does on the various crash tests. That's a rating the insurance companies have developed with the national highway traffic safety institute.(NHSTI) We're talking about the minimum federally mandated standards set in the federal motor vehicle safety standard (FMVSS).

If we're taking what the guy said at face value, and i see no reason not to... It can be implied that somewhere along the development of the JL (and maybe the even the JK) chassis they most likely did a test with a V8 CAD file, or even a test mule, and it failed. There were probably plenty of meetings about it. And in the end, they decided it wasn't worth the time and money to develop that option further.

The aftermarket could step up because they do not have to comply to the same regulations.

I really don't buy it. If they can drop a hellcat in a GC, I don't see how they could have designed the JL so weakly to not be able to handle a base v8. They're building all they can of the pentastar and i4 and are planning a diesel, so probably see zero reason to do it from a demand standpoint and don't want to start encroaching on ram sales.

The real point is that there really is no reason for it on a stock vehicle, and let's face it, they're not going to build it for somebody that wants to throw 37's on, same way they don't build it with dana 60's and long arm suspension. The v6 truck will already start to encroach on the half ton v6 ram, likely relegating the v6 ram to low end work truck trim only. They don't want to start cannibalizing the higher end, high profit v8 rams as well. With the GC, there's no internal competition, so they offer it with v6 through hellcat. With the Jeep truck there is, so they have to be somewhat careful to not eat up their other high profit sales. Then they toss out the 'crash test' excuse. Same BS excuse they have for only rating the 4d Wrangler at 3500lbs towing - 'not enough cooling' even though the rubicon has power steering cooler, trans cooler etc. and the drivetrain is the same as what's in the 6500lb rated GC, has a longer wheelbase, same weight and the JL has bigger brakes and beefier axles on top - and having driven both, the wrangler does not have a softer suspension. It also tows just as well as a GC. To satisfy those that get a Tacoma instead if they want to tow, they throw the gladiator out there and charge $10k more. Doesn't affect GC sales, only really hurts v6 ram laramie sales, but they get a nice price premium for it.

So they have boiler plate excuses when the real reason is market segmentation driven.
 

dstock

Explorer
A hunch...




all kidding aside.

Supposed to go on sale the second quarter of this year. (April 1st) So pricing should be up soon. Another couple weeks is my guess.

That's what I was thinking...I'm sure they want to get some orders in the system.
 

Charles R

Adventurer
I really don't buy it. If they can drop a hellcat in a GC, I don't see how they could have designed the JL so weakly to not be able to handle a base v8.

I agree with everything you said about the marketing side. I believe i mentioned that I'm sure there were meetings to decide if it was worth it. I'm sure the answer wasn't, "we can't do it". The answer was, "we don't need to do it".

But what i don't think you're getting is the nature of some crash test requirements. It's not about the chassis being weak in any way.

For example...
The amount of power in an engine would make no difference at all in a pedestrian safety test. Only the physical size and packaging of it. The Grands have a larger engine bay with more crumple space around that bigger engine. The wrangler is lacking that space. This same thing may apply to "passenger compartment intrusion" tests. Those are just two that come to my mind right away

Pedestrian safety is a fairly new set of standards, and one that bothered me as to how they appeared. Please forgive an even further off topic ramble...
Has anyone noticed the front of most passenger cars, in particular Hondas and Toyotas, seem much more upright and taller than they were a decade ago? Honda even developed a pedestrian crash test facility. At the time, their ideology was to make the front of the car low, to keep from buckling a pedestrian in half and driving them under the vehicle...

But European car styling doesn't really lend itself to that method. So the Europeans preempted everything by creating their own standards before Honda's then new facility could really start publishing test results.

Those standards basically say there must be a big enough space cushion around the engine so when a pedestrian is hit, the sheet metal must have plenty of crumple space to absorb the bodies force, before that body hits the very solid engine components under the skin.

This, of course, lent itself very well to the upright grills and high hoodlines of the euro cars. It also forced everyone who wanted to sell cars in euro union to comply with the new standard.

Just because of its styling, the wrangler had never really had a lot of room inside its engine bay. You can imagine how much less room the front area would have if the engine were 6 or so inches closer to the radiator. That's the end of any crumple space.

If you remember, the JL had to have a longer engine bay just to fit the new 8 speed automatic transmission necessary for the diesel option. Now think what would be required to add an extra pair of cylinders too.

But yeah, we're WAY OFF off topic now. It's just my opinion that the guy was being honest in his statement.
 

SheepnJeep

Active member
Has anyone that makes campers had access to these trucks yet? Curious if any sort of mini campers will be coming about. I have been daydreaming about a Scrambler with a popup lately. Maybe I should hold out a while and have a brand new iteration :)
 

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