Give me the scoop guys...

[David Harris]

c) The rover forum is littered with so many of these threads already. we need to find the good ones and put them in a post to turn into a sticky. who else is with me in being tired of seeing "should i buy a rover" threads, when it's obvious that the OP has not searched any of the prior material, or even the most basic of information about the vehicle in the first place?

I motion for a sticky on this as well. It has long been needed along with one on what lift and tires to fit. I paused before replying to this one because it seems like it has been stated so many times before. Just trying to help out the prospective Rover owners.

David

 

[Momrocks]

b) Momrocks - 6 months and nary a mention of off-road use? I'm on my 5th 4x4, each one has seen dirt inside of 200 miles of taking possession of it. I don't see how your post can possibly be any kind of indictment on a vehicle known and loved for it's ability off-road when you never even hit the dirt.

SeaRubi,

Posts number 10 and 13 by the original poster should help you feel at ease about the relevance to this thread of my 6 months ownership experience.


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[ExpoScout]

c) The rover forum is littered with so many of these threads already. we need to find the good ones and put them in a post to turn into a sticky. who else is with me in being tired of seeing "should i buy a rover" threads, when it's obvious that the OP has not searched any of the prior material, or even the most basic of information about the vehicle in the first place?



-grumpy

First of all, at the time I posted this I was at work and had limited connectivity...I wanted to get this thread out there and get some replies. I came to ExPo first because all the other 4x4 forums I'm a member of are full of high schoolers it seems. Thanks for proving me wrong and bringing it down to that level.

Stickies are nice sometimes, and sure, would have caught my eye. It wasn't there...I made the thread.

Anyway, how the heck do you know I haven't searched for "the most basic information"?...I have researched this topic for quite some time but I wanted a fresh opinion from a forum whose members I respect.

I asked the questions in a general manner for a reason.

 

[ExpoScout]

If you have a dedicated offroader, why would you want a gas heavy, AWD daily driver? Wouldnt it be smarter to find something fuel efficient especially if you wont be doing what the disco was intended for - wheeling. Pretty much all of the reasons to get a disco fall away if you are exclusively using it to drive around the city. If you absolutely must have a SUV, get something with 2WD to save on gas.

Also, if you already have a project(the scout), why buy another one?
-Sam

Due to the age of the scout, I don't feel comfortable driving it daily. I don't want a little car and I have a little Nissan 4cyl truck that will still be used for errands and such.

 

[AxeAngel]

Due to the age of the scout, I don't feel comfortable driving it daily. I don't want a little car and I have a little Nissan 4cyl truck that will still be used for errands and such.

To help us help you, will you tell us exactly what all is needed from the disco.

So far:
1) No trails
2) No offroading
3) Daily driver
4) ANother pickup truck already being used for errands, etc.
5) Don't want a small car

Besides my rover i also own two other SUVs and two cars. If your intended usage of the DD, was to give to your girlfriend(I'm presuming thats who is in your avatar) and you want something larger than a car with room for groceries, kids and still has respectable MPG, I would recommend a honda or toyota suv, if you really want 4wd, I would recommend a subaru. Not wheeling a disco will lead you to not fully appreciating it.

Currently my disco makes a horrible vibration that i am trying to track down, if i only drove it around the city it would give me great grief. As a project truck, one that i can take camping, wheeling and doing other outdoorsy stuff, i love it. It fills that niche for me. My mercedes fills the niche of the everyday around town grocery getter and the 4runner fills the niche that my girlfriend requires, i wouldnt recommend the disco for either my daily driving or for what my girlfriend needs. To prevent this from being a yota vs rover thread, she is in the process of locating a rover to replace the 4runner.

-Sam

 

[SeaRubi]

SeaRubi,

Posts number 10 and 13 by the original poster should help you feel at ease about the relevance to this thread of my 6 months ownership experience.


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Oh it sure does. And I can only hope he avoids littering the forum with more posts about electric seats in the future. It's people like you who also fail to search the multiple forums for the reams and reams of highly detailed instructions on repairing all this little crap and then come blather about how bad a Land Rover is because

a) you bought the dang thing in the first place because of some whimsical fascination with the image of a Land Rover, never intending to capitalize on the vehicles strengths, and ...

b) having every intention of crying on the internet about its known and famous limitations

c) you chose to take the vehicle to the dealer and pay top dollar for minor repairs. now, I'm a huge fan of not wasting time. if i have money to go to the dealer I'll gladly go. What I don't do is come back to internet forums and complain how expensive it is to have an aging vehicle with lots of luxury accouterments serviced by a dealership tuned in to the wants and needs of people with money.

When my 2 rovers finally pi$$ed me off I stripped them and and got rid of them inside of two weeks, and replaced it with one of these:

What I didn't do was come whining to every rover and jeep forum about how terrible a land rover is and complain about the seats, or the center console that never went back together, the whistling at freeway speeds, the annoying security code on the radio, deep freezing my radio, or being left stranded on multiple occasions due to broken ignition key cylinders.

I hate to come off as such an arsehole but this is supposed to be an off-road forum. Not a repair and complain forum for people who were happier in an Audi sedan. It's one thing to go easy and be all smiles and nodding to the legions of soft roaders on here but taking crap from people in Audi's is way over the line.

regards,
-ike

 

[LtFuzz]

I'm also in the market for a new [used] Disco.

I had a '96 D1 in college that I loved. I beat the crap out of it and it never missed a beat.

"Reliability" in the common sense of the word is in no way part of my consideration. Either you love these things -- and must have one -- or you don't.

I briefly looked at the new 4-Runner, but after seeing the Four Wheeler "overland" build, and how it looked like something that floated off the mothership from Independence Day, I'm back safely in the arms of Solihull.

I'm currently in Afghanistan -- land of Hiluxes and cool old Land Cruisers -- and they don't hold a candle to the Czech 110s that clatter around our FOB.

How much do you think I could get for a bonnet-sized ISAF decal? :chef:

 

[David Harris]

Land Rovers tend to self-censor their potential ownership base.

 

[Momrocks]

What I didn't do was come whining to every rover and jeep forum about how terrible a land rover is and complain about the seats, or the center console that never went back together, the whistling at freeway speeds, the annoying security code on the radio, deep freezing my radio, or being left stranded on multiple occasions due to broken ignition key cylinders.

I respect that you didn't "come whining to every rover and jeep forum" but from the tone of your posts, you really should have found some sort of outlet for your rage. All your pent up frustrations are revealing themselves in the form of caustic posts. IMHO that behavior is more toxic to a forum than someone simply asking for advice, even if a couple of people have asked similar questions before.

My response in this thread was to the OP. I certainly had no intent to enrage you by posting that my exhaust head pipe was replaced by a shop or that I DD'd an Audi or even that I drove past the 200 mile mark before I took my Disco off-road. I hope you can get past this and find some threads on ExPo that invoke less emotion in you.

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[SeaRubi]

thanks for the couch session there. You're right about needing an outlet, and it is, I'm sad to say, this thread. You're here complaining about electric seats to a person who has no intention of off-roading a Land Rover. My red button has been smashed. My "trigger" was activated. I should be counting to ten and considering your feelings here but I just can't.

I find these posts and this thread both caustic and insulting to the Land Rover community at large. I don't go dive bombing the Toyota forums about my poor experience with the FJ Cruiser amassed during one whole test drive, and how I nearly vomited on the sales person, got into an accident because of the horrible visibility, and couldn't back the durn thing up without mowing down some poor shopper looking for a runaway sedan! No, I don't do that. I'm not always rambling about how they have "no soul",
how Jeeps self destruct at 100k, or go putting the Xterra crowd down as a bunch of snowboarders who discovered their ski rig had low range.

So why do you have to come in here and crap all over an off-road forum about electric seats and your tales of woe at European Land Rover dealerships?

Neither one of you have any intent to drive beyond the grocery store in these things. Folks who want to drive a Land Rover and be caught up in that nostalgia and imagery usually buy them new, under warranty and thereby saving the goodness - including the worn out luxury crap - for us folk who want to beat the tar out of them for the purpose it was originally designed and built, except at pennies on the dollar as compared to super dads maintaining their manly image at the tennis club and soccer moms who appreciate the 3rd row seating and a more masculine alternative to a mini-van. Don't get me wrong - I like you peeps. you take the luxury tax, the depreciation hit, and generally have them dropped off often enough to the dealership to keep the oil changes up to date.

But there has to be a line drawn somewhere. Week after week the same threads come through and nobody ever says anything. When the bar has fallen this low, how can I possibly stay shut up and pretend to be the soft spoken, politically correct, liberalized backstabbing passive aggressive Internet User that everybody seems to want these days instead of having a clear position on something?

First of all, at the time I posted this I was at work and had limited connectivity...I wanted to get this thread out there and get some replies.

"get out there" "get some replies" = bored at work. If you had enough connectivity to post and check for replies, you could have used the search.

I came to ExPo first because all the other 4x4 forums I'm a member of are full of high schoolers it seems. Thanks for proving me wrong and bringing it down to that level.

You're bringing down the level with this repetitive topic. I swear you could hit page 2 of this forum and find another thread just like this one.

I had a 1980 Traveler with an SD33T that I let go to make room for my first Land Rover. Leaf springs and old lap belts are probably two of the same issues that have you looking at a newer Rover. But nobody here cares about your daily driver. The hope is that people contributing to this forum have, at minimum, aspirations to take their Rover car camping for a couple days at a time involving at least one 10 mile stretch of forest service road and feeling nervous about the highlift they've poorly attached inside the vehicle, next to their children.

damn. I'll shut up now. Y'all are right, there is some pent up rage and frustration about this topic and it ain't good :Wow1:

 

[Some Dude]

...pent up rage and frustration...

:clapsmile

 

[Momrocks]

I hate to come off as such an arsehole but this is supposed to be an off-road forum. Not a repair and complain forum for people who were happier in an Audi sedan.

You're here complaining about electric seats to a person who has no intention of off-roading a Land Rover. My red button has been smashed. My "trigger" was activated. I should be counting to ten and considering your feelings here but I just can't.

I find these posts and this thread both caustic and insulting to the Land Rover community at large.

So why do you have to come in here and crap all over an off-road forum about electric seats and your tales of woe at European Land Rover dealerships?

But there has to be a line drawn somewhere. Week after week the same threads come through and nobody ever says anything.


You're bringing down the level with this repetitive topic.


Y'all are right, there is some pent up rage and frustration about this topic and it ain't good :Wow1:

Wow, you have worked yourself into some kind lather. After re-reading your posts, I think you may be under some misconceptions. ExPo is an "overlanding forum" not an off-road forum. It is necessary to spend some time traveling on improved surfaces to destinations targeted for visitation or exploration. It seams that you may be looking for a forum more oriented towards hardcore wheeling. Someplace where people's interests are more in sync with your own.

For some reason you have let this thread enrage you. If the OP's question didn't meet your standards why did you take the time and effort to respond? It is hard to believe that your motivation is solely to improve the forum. If it was, I doubt you would have been so insulting and aggressive in your posts.

The intent of my post was to share my individual experience with the OP. It took me several minutes to type it out. It was done to give him a relevant data point to use in his decision. I fail to understand how you justify attacking my response or the OP. I am not going to debate off-road credentials with you, it doesn't mean much to me if I have more or less off road mileage than you. I hardly bought the Disco just so I could run out to the internet to complain about electric seats...I owned the Disco in 2001. You have a pretty strong awareness of what is posted on many forums, have you heard me complain about my truck’s electrical gremlins more than once or twice?

Another thing you really seem to take issue with where I repaired the truck. I did it in my driveway and the Auto Hobby Shop at Landstuhl Army base. The only time I went to a dealer was to buy a lower radiator hose and price a seat motor and relay assy. BTW, I later changed oil and replaced brake pads on the Audi in the same work bay.

I am glad you enjoy beating the tar out of your rig. I just have the impression that ExPo may not be the right place for you. I am sure the forum owner didn't envision ExPo as a "off-road" forum where posters were run off for asking advice. Nor do I think he intended for responders to posts be attacked for DDing a 4x4 of any marque. I don't see what the OP or I did to violate the rules, spirit or intent of ExPo. I have no idea what you found so provoking but I think you should try to throttle back your emotion some.


:yikes:

 

[SeaRubi]

Wow, you have worked yourself into some kind lather. After re-reading your posts, I think you may be under some misconceptions. ExPo is an "overlanding forum" not an off-road forum.

Hence the lather. I think a lot of people posting on this forum in the last year or two have misconceptions about what "overlanding" means, and the degree of risk it entails relative to most other forms of off-roading.

It seams that you may be looking for a forum more oriented towards hardcore wheeling. Someplace where people's interests are more in sync with your own.

People are getting hung up on this "ExPo" moniker as it seemingly implies a kind of tailgate party in the desert with an ample supply of icy beverages and half naked bodies tanning away happily in the sun, free to snap one lousy digital image after another for their newly acquired HDR photoshop skills and as personal reward to themselves for maxing out credit cards on vehicle modifications. A full on yuppie-fied, personalized, miniature Burning Man celebration. Yes. It makes me want to vomit.

In my opinion that attitude is an unfortunate insult to a great number of contributors here on the forum in light of the degree of preparations and personal training involved to accomplish even the smaller well planned, multi-day trips in remote areas. My own attempts to put together a trip for longer than a week have failed for the last three years in a row. Just the logistics and expense alone are plenty hardcore, not to mention getting the schedules and finances of people you trust to align to make it happen.

I want to be clear that I'm attacking the content of your post. I've seen your posts around ExPo and you're a light hearted, fun person. Unfortunately your personal experiences could have been the same with any car with electric seats and that also had radiator hoses. It's completely irrelevant to the topic of overlanding. You don't even mention going car camping. I'm being incendiary in hopes to curb the rash of these same threads popping up week after week, because nobody else ever says anything. It's so much clutter that could be avoided.

My opinion is that every thread that gets posted here asking about the suitability of a Land Rover as someone's primary means of transportation should be deleted. I don't feel that particular question belongs here and does not pertain to Overlanding, by whatever definition you might want to give it. The OP was clear that he did not intend to use the truck off-road. Even cleansing the Rover forum of all of those threads, there are still a great number that speak to each of the models' suitability is in regards to the task of overland travel, and what their strengths and weaknesses are.

Land Rovers are the best 4X4XFAR, but I'm not sure about the best 4X4X<$5K

I keep seeing an awful lot of jeepers in the LRNR photos online. I sure hope those guys took some heat. God forbid if you showed up to EJS in a Rover. You'd be run out of town.

2 out of your 3 posts are in these lame Buyer's threads. The other was trying to start some kind of Jeep vs. Rover drama. Nice work.

 

[Adrift]

Do me next!

 

[ExpoScout]

thanks for the couch session there. You're right about needing an outlet, and it is, I'm sad to say, this thread. You're here complaining about electric seats to a person who has no intention of off-roading a Land Rover. My red button has been smashed. My "trigger" was activated. I should be counting to ten and considering your feelings here but I just can't.

I find these posts and this thread both caustic and insulting to the Land Rover community at large. I don't go dive bombing the Toyota forums about my poor experience with the FJ Cruiser amassed during one whole test drive, and how I nearly vomited on the sales person, got into an accident because of the horrible visibility, and couldn't back the durn thing up without mowing down some poor shopper looking for a runaway sedan! No, I don't do that. I'm not always rambling about how they have "no soul",
how Jeeps self destruct at 100k, or go putting the Xterra crowd down as a bunch of snowboarders who discovered their ski rig had low range.

So why do you have to come in here and crap all over an off-road forum about electric seats and your tales of woe at European Land Rover dealerships?

Neither one of you have any intent to drive beyond the grocery store in these things. Folks who want to drive a Land Rover and be caught up in that nostalgia and imagery usually buy them new, under warranty and thereby saving the goodness - including the worn out luxury crap - for us folk who want to beat the tar out of them for the purpose it was originally designed and built, except at pennies on the dollar as compared to super dads maintaining their manly image at the tennis club and soccer moms who appreciate the 3rd row seating and a more masculine alternative to a mini-van. Don't get me wrong - I like you peeps. you take the luxury tax, the depreciation hit, and generally have them dropped off often enough to the dealership to keep the oil changes up to date.

But there has to be a line drawn somewhere. Week after week the same threads come through and nobody ever says anything. When the bar has fallen this low, how can I possibly stay shut up and pretend to be the soft spoken, politically correct, liberalized backstabbing passive aggressive Internet User that everybody seems to want these days instead of having a clear position on something?



"get out there" "get some replies" = bored at work. If you had enough connectivity to post and check for replies, you could have used the search.



You're bringing down the level with this repetitive topic. I swear you could hit page 2 of this forum and find another thread just like this one.

I had a 1980 Traveler with an SD33T that I let go to make room for my first Land Rover. Leaf springs and old lap belts are probably two of the same issues that have you looking at a newer Rover. But nobody here cares about your daily driver. The hope is that people contributing to this forum have, at minimum, aspirations to take their Rover car camping for a couple days at a time involving at least one 10 mile stretch of forest service road and feeling nervous about the highlift they've poorly attached inside the vehicle, next to their children.

damn. I'll shut up now. Y'all are right, there is some pent up rage and frustration about this topic and it ain't good :Wow1:

Well its kind hard to search the internet while in a car...I drive around all night...sometimes things get crazy

And yep, both of my scouts (one actually is a traveler) are both diesels with the sd33t. I love them. They are not what has me looking at a rover. I love overland type vehicles, I love off road capability, I love all the storage space, driving in snow, and the history.....all of which the disco's obviously have. I love old land rovers, old land cruisers, heck even samurai's and jeeps have a place in my heart, though I've never owned one. There were just a few apprehensions I had about the discovery. Actually though, my questions have been answered for the most part. I wanted to know of the desirable years, which ones are better off road, where the leaks come from so I can check when shopping around....etc etc

You sure do make a lot of assumptions. I never said I wouldn't take it off-road, but it would unlikely be a "build" at this point. It would probably get tires and maybe suspension. But yes, for the most part stay on the road. Just because i'ts main job would be on the roads doesn't mean I don't want it to BE ABLE to go off road. That's where this forum is supposed to come in. Why the hell would I want a rover in the first place if I didn't want it for the 4wd? Just to drive around and look cool? Sorry, I'm not one of those.

Not to mention, when my vehicles stop being roadworthy they usually end up as projects. Why would this rover be any different.

And I'm in the same boat as you, I've been trying to put a trip together for 3 years or so too. My route is planned, mapped, etc. I either decide the scout isn't ready or the money or time isn't there. Doesn't mean it isn't going to happen...there are just other priorities. Who knows, maybe I'd get a disco and fall in love. It might turn into a project after I get a few years of driving out of it and I'd add it to the collection. If I could have an entire fleet of amazing offroad vehicles I would.

What you've done is nothing but blatant trolling. Apart from get so defensive about this topic you really haven't had any good input at all. You've been calling me names, and attacking one particular other poster's posts. Seriously, you're either pissed at this whole topic for reasons that go far beyond the scope of this thread, or are just immature...I'm not sure which one.