DSLR and HDV: What is your kit?

Michael Slade

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That's some good info ywen. Thanks.

+1 I will read it and digest it. Thanks.

EDIT: Ok, so I am totally down with that adjustable ND filter. Way sick. I was referring to having an extended collection of ND graduated filters which IMO are easy to be overwhelmed with and get distracted from the task at hand which is to actually shoot and not play with gear.

Thanks for the link. I have learned something today, so that is pretty cool. Now I want one. The thing that rubs me is that my Canon G11 has an ND filter in video mode, but no DSLR's that I've played with do. I don't know why they can't figure that out and include it on the higher end cameras.

EDIT #2 A cool DIY adjustable ND filter thread.
 
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jboss

Observer
Well if you haven't already take a look over at Cinema5D lots of great info.
The adjustable ND filter is a must for shooting out side. You want that great depth of field and you will need the ND to shoot at 2.8 or more.
Your lens selection is great! I wish I could have that many in my arsenal.

Here are some pointers for setting up the camera for video. Not trying to insult anyone if you guys already know this.

Some ISO's will give you grainy video.
Bad ISO = 125 250 500 1000
Good ISO = 160 320 640 1250 2500

Don't forget shutter speed when shooting video.
24p 25p = 1/50th
30p = 1/60th
50p = 1/100th
60p = 1/120th

Microphone: Rode is a good mic. I would also look at a HDR like the Tascam DR-100 audio is not that great on the cameras.
Focus Assist: Is a must. The Z-Finder is great. If on a budget get the LCDVF. How about a 5" HDMI screen? Marshall all the way.
Stabilization: Look at Express35, Jag35, Easom, Redrock Micro and Zacuto. Lots of great products out there.
Tripods that are light and sturdy, yet allow nice panning. Gitzo, Bogen for the price, OConnor

Just my two cents. Good Luck.
 
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ywen

Explorer
Bad ISO = 125 250 500 1000
Good ISO = 160 320 640 1250 2500

hey jboss.. I didn't know about this... I'm not sure why 125, 250.. etc are the bad ones.. can you elaborate?

I would say in a sunny environment, a z-finder is probably better than an external monitor in shielding from the sun.
 

jboss

Observer
hey jboss.. I didn't know about this... I'm not sure why 125, 250.. etc are the bad ones.. can you elaborate?

I would say in a sunny environment, a z-finder is probably better than an external monitor in shielding from the sun.

I'm still new to all the DSLR video thing. But some ISO's make dirty or grainy/noise video in lower light. If you search vimeo there are lots of video's showing the difference in the IOS's. This should explain better then I can. This info is similar to what Philip Bloom said on a site also. Here is a video a buddy shot and found this ISO info to be true.
http://www.youtube.com/user/krystofandres#p/a/u/2/TxXy_nKh-_8

From Daniel Browning on other forums:

When you select "ISO 320", what the camera actually does behind the scenes is set the analog ISO to 400, then reduce brightness digitally with a -1/3 stop pull. That makes it look as if you had used ISO 320, except that 1/3 stop of highlights are clipped. The upside is that noise is less.

It's like the opposite of HTP (highlight tone priority). HTP sets the analog ISO to one stop below whatever you pick, giving 1 extra stop of highlights, then increases the brightness digitally with nonlinear EC (to preserve highlights), which increases the visibility of noise. So HTP trades shadows for highlights.

The other tweener ISO settings (125, 250, 500, 1000) should be avoided, because they do a 1/3-stop push, but don't bother to preserve the highlights, so they increase noise for no benefit.

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• 100, 200, 400, 800, 1600: normal amount of highlight headroom.

• There is little difference from ISO 100 to 200, because most viewers can't tell the difference in photon shot noise, and the read noise drops by almost a full stop in ISO 200.

• 125, 250, 500, 1000: considered harmful. 1/3 stop less highlight headroom and 1/3 stop more shadow noise.

• 160, 320, 640, 1250: fine, as long as you are aware of the decreased highlight headroom. (Clips 1/3 highlights to get 1/3 more shadows.)

• HTP should *always* be enabled when the ISO is higher than 1600.

• There is a careful balance between increasing shadow detail through ISO (which clips highlights) or through HTP, the picture profile (e.g. contrast, tone curve), or Auto Lighting Optimizer. Generally, the higher you go in ISO, the more beneficial it is to use non-ISO methods to increase shadow detail. For example, ISO 3200+HTP (actually ISO 1600) is better than the real ISO 3200. ISO 800+HTP may be better than the real ISO 800, but it depends on how much highlight headroom you need.
 
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ywen

Explorer
how 'bout an audio recorder.. when editing you might need some snippet of audio as a filler.. (idling engine.. tire noise rolling down the street, ambient sound etc...) Like one of 'em Zoom audio recorders... can plug in the Rode mic into them as well..

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Lost Canadian

Expedition Leader
ywen said:
how 'bout an audio recorder.. when editing you might need some snippet of audio as a filler.. (idling engine.. tire noise rolling down the street, ambient sound etc...) Like one of 'em Zoom audio recorders... can plug in the Rode mic into them as well..
I have the Zoom H1 and it worked really well for me. I'm still in the process of editing my video from Cuba but when I'm done I'll share the results.
 

ywen

Explorer
I have the Zoom H1 and it worked really well for me. I'm still in the process of editing my video from Cuba but when I'm done I'll share the results.

I have 2 Zoom H2s.. nice audio quality but poor construction. THE SD card door on the H2 snaps off for everyone who has owned one included the two that I have..

What mic did use with the H1?
 

Lost Canadian

Expedition Leader
I have 2 Zoom H2s.. nice audio quality but poor construction. THE SD card door on the H2 snaps off for everyone who has owned one included the two that I have..

What mic did use with the H1?

I haven't had any problems with mine but yeah, the H1 feels pretty cheap as well. For under a hundred bucks though I'm not complaining. I just used the H1 on it's own. I don't have a mic yet.
 

Scott Brady

Founder
I am finding the more research I do the more I hate the idea of using a DSLR for this type of work. ;)

I actually think photographers might be more gear-spastic than overlanders!

Can you imagine running through the Ivory Coast with this thing strapped to you?
stabilization2.jpg


So for now, I am going to stick with my original plan. Buy a few sweet bodies and a few sweet lenses, install good mics and most likely a Z-Finder and then just use them.

I have sold over 100 hours of footage with this (just had a nice footage sale today actually): Even a simple DSLR HDV rig will be a real upgrade and meet our needs.
21Canon_HF10_MicAtt1.jpg


I feel better now :D
 

bunduguy

Supporting Sponsor
I'll second the 7D vote. For my wildlife stuff in Africa I chose the faster frame rate over full-frame. That and the dust sealing and mag body and I have a body I can trust.
 

jboss

Observer
Scott,

Take a look at IDC Photo Video. They make a nice little system called the system zero and it works with the Z-finder. Also they are in your neck of the woods.
 

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