M1009 (diesel Blazer) or FJ60?

MaverickTRD

Adventurer
Good evening Gents,

I've been a member of the board for a short time now, never post...But I am CONSTANTLY on here reading build threads, trip reports, comparisons etc. trying to grasp new knowledge of this lifestyle and hobby for some.

I currently live in Idaho, active duty Air Force and am looking to pick up a kind of do it all vehicle. I already have a daily driver, so this will be more of a weekend ride.
The main goals I am trying to obtain with it are to be; extended camping trips, midrange expeditions (I'd like to go through Oregon, Washington, Montana, Wyoming, and Utah wihtout using much pavement...likely separate trips, one being the oregon/washington/idaho and the other being Montana/Wyoming/Utah.), some possible local trails, nothing too extreme, a Moab trip would be awesome! I have 4 people in the family, wife and 2 toddlers. So retaining the back seat is going to be a must.
Vehicle would also double as a BOV in the event it was warranted.


Here's what I've gathered so far. Both are fairly reliable and straight forward to work on, minimal electronics. Both fit 33s with ease, both have leafs and SFA, the FJ has 2 more doors, but the GM being a fullsize may still have adequate cargo room. I like that the GM is a diesel (i've heard the debates before on the 6.2 reliability) If I got the GM i would do a manual tranny swap, and if I got an FJ i'd likely want to plan to do a diesel swap in the distant future.
I need something that isn't going to break down constantly, i don't mind maintenence but I don't want to be stranded. I need it to be somewhat comfortable so the family doesn't hate it, and if it does break I need to be able to find parts without selling a kidney. I know that Chevy parts can be found anywhere, I'm hoping I can have as much luck with a LC.

Both have their rust problems, I'm from Arizona and have family down there so I'm going to begin my search down in the SW to hopefully avoid the rust as much as possible. I'm hoping to stay under 3500 as an initial purchase price. I understand I will need to put money into whatever I get to obtain the goal I desire.
No matter what it will be fitted with a RTT, rear cargo drawers, XL gas tank, jerry cans in rear, a swing out tire carrier, hi lift, and other odds and ends required for traditional camping trips as well as some tools.


Sorry my initial post is so drawn out, I tried to research to my best. I saw a similar thread that was a few years old with debating the same vehicles, but it quickly went from a comparo to a debate on the 6.2's longevity. I love the site and has provided a ton of info for me. I'm on here, I8hmud, and jeepforum pretty regularly. I previously was set on a WJ but am thinking something from the mid 80s would be a better fit for me right now...I might consider an XJ but not sure if it would be too small inside?

Thanks
 
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RU55ELL

Explorer
I definitely know what you are saying about the XJ being too small. For me, the biggest complaint is the legroom. I drove a one that a buddy of mine owned for 4 hours and I couldn't feel my right knee due to the awkward angle it has to be at.

Between the 60 and the Blazer, I would do either, but for different reasons. I feel like the Blazer is more rugged, better parts availability (even in Houston, there were never any common parts in stock at the parts houses for my Toyota), and better range due to the diesel.

On the other hand, the 60 (assuming you leave the stock carbed engine in place) will run on dirtier fuel and even if the fuel pump goes out, you could pour gas into the carb and keep going. If the fuel system of the Blazer goes out, you are stuck.

Both have minimal electronics, so that's a wash. I think you would be well off with either.
 

Tahoe Diesel

Observer
I like that the GM is a diesel (i've heard the debates before on the 6.2 reliability) ... I saw a similar thread that was a few years old with debating the same vehicles, but it quickly went from a comparo to a debate on the 6.2's longevity.
Thanks

I flew out from California to Florida to purchase my Tahoe/Blazer with the 6.5TD (essentially a hopped up 6.2). It had 214k miles, I drove it back to California with zero problems. I now have 230k miles on it and going strong. Through another forum, I know of many other 6.2/6.5's with well over 300k miles on original internals. I've read refererences to a few going over 1/2 millon miles. And the 6.2 is notably more reliable than the 6.5 due to lack of electronics and turbo (if you go n/a). So when I hear about 6.2/6.5 longevity debates, I really have to doubt the knowledge and maintenance habits of the naysayers.

I have no experience with the Toyota and wouldn't discount it without some indepth research.

The only thing I'm doubting about both vehicles is if they will be large enough for a family of 4 and all the gear for off-road travel that you will need. I guess it could work if you're really effiecient and organized with your gear. Most people (families especially) tend to over pack. Perhaps a late 80's early 90's Suburban (with the 6.2, if you prefer diesel) might be worth considering too?
 

Stoney126

Adventurer
Never tried a fj, But I did own a M1009 w/a 4 inch lift 33's with a 14 ff in the back and a 8 lug 10 bolt up front. I loved that thing and killed me when I had to sell it. The m1009 is very basic to put it lightly so comfort is dependent on the person. Again I loved it but the wife tolerated it. With the 4.10 gears it would skoot along very well but no OD it would be topped out at about 65 mph. Since you would swap in a manual you may not have that problem. I took out the window tailgate and put in a p/u tailgate and got a average of 24 mpg. My vote is a m1009
 

MaverickTRD

Adventurer
Thank you each for your input and opinions thus far. I agree that the 6.2 can be a very reliable engine, and think that it can sometimes be comical in regards to people saying "well its not a cummins so it must be a paperweight." Cummins deserves the rep it has for great reason, but the 6.2 is a grand motor, just isn't gonna be winning any drag races i'm sure.

As far as the Suburban suggestion. I would rather have a trailer, or a cargo rack on the roof than go to anything larger. As it sits these two options are at the threshold on how large I would want to get. Anything bigger is just too big for my personal taste. The wheelbase on a burb is 20" longer than even the FJ!!! i think the FJ might have the most interior volume as it has 2 extra doors, and the wheelbase is still an inch longer than the blaze.

I am hoping to get out and test drive a few rigs here in the upcoming week or two, hopefully that will aid in my decision.

Stoney: did you maintain the stock m1009 interior? I have though about possibly adding a few of the civi blazer interior pieces to make it more reasonable for the family. Maybe some rear seats that can be modified to fit from another vehicle, and 2 front bucket seats, but I know my wife would love if i had a front bench seat too! lol, she's always wished we had a older GM with a front bench seat so she can scoot right next to me on the longer drives.
 

Dave Kay

Adventurer
Hmmm... well IMHO I would say go with the Blazer if it were used strictly as a hunting rig, or maybe like for Boyscout camp outs, guys-only treks, etc., because the 1009 is as basic as it gets; no A/C, loud diesel engine, and not so fast highway speeds due to gearing.

On the other hand, the FJ60 may have certain limitations like roominess, but otherwise it is built as intended much more for civilian comforts like A/C, over drive-highway trans, quite comfort, etc., so you really have to decide which is more important or more likely to be the vehicles main use; w/family or w/o...

While some guys at SteelSoldiers website swear by their 1009's and go to great lengths modifying them with A/C, turbos, OD trans, etc., that will in the long run cost a fair amount of money. And if you're buying govt surplus as opposed to an already civilian-ized Blazer, then you need to also consider the monies that will need to be spent on a necessary maintenance over haul of all critical systems.

Just for example; my 1008 truck has been at home for nearly 10 months now and so far I've been lucky that no major probs have surfaced. But meanwhile, I've been going through and replacing anything questionable or aged and have more yet to come. One critical item that should be immediately replaced is the harmonic balancer. When these go bad and slip, they can do serious engine damage.:Wow1:

Keep an open mind for other possibilities as well and good luck on your choice.
 

MaverickTRD

Adventurer
Well ironically I spotted a civi blazer on base for sale with a 6.2 diesel drivetrain...good price 65k miles and minimal rust...might be looking. At that in the next couple days!
Anyone know if the civi and mil diesel engines are different, also is it still a th400?
 

Stoney126

Adventurer
The mil version have 24 volt systems but can be converted over easy enough. The Mil engine difference is it has a J-code intake which again is a easy swap. Im not sure wha the civi 6.2 have for emissions equipment. The civi blazers use a 700r4. Like Dave said the Mil ones are pretty spartan would make most people wish they took the bus. Though I loved my m1009 I would look for a silverado version 6.2 for my next blazer project.
 

Tahoe Diesel

Observer
Well ironically I spotted a civi blazer on base for sale with a 6.2 diesel drivetrain...good price 65k miles and minimal rust...might be looking. At that in the next couple days!
Anyone know if the civi and mil diesel engines are different, also is it still a th400?

Wow! A civilian Blazer with the 6.2 is a rare find these days. If it checks out and price is reasonable, I'd jump all over that. But 65k is waaay low for an old Blazer, must be on the engine only? I f you buy, definitely replace the harmonic balancer, preferably with a 'Fluidampr'. The motor will run smoother, live longer and you'll never have to worry about a bad HB snapping your crankshaft. - Take pics and post up...please ;)

Dave and Stoney are making some good points re the mil spec K5's. Not very family friendly in the comfort department.
 

MaverickTRD

Adventurer
Yeah the blazer is an 82...first yr for the diesel if I'm not mistaken. The odometer only has 5 digits so I'm sure it could actually be 165k miles, but the interior of it is mint! So nice that I actually believe the mileage claim.

Thx for the info on the hj60...does anyone know the legalities of importing one? Are they fed legal?
 

Tahoe Diesel

Observer
I think it varies by state. I know that in California the restrictions are such that it's practically impossible to import a diesel here. We can't even do a diesel conversion here :mad:

Check online with your states DMV, they should have some definitive info there.
 

DT75FLH

Adventurer
X2 on the dampner. it will break a crank.

I picked up a burb (84 IIRC) found recipts in the truck that showed the tranny replaced at 199k. and the truck broke the crank at 88k. (so 288k total).

as I get older and with 2 kids I would jump on the civi one. more insulation (quieter) 12volt etc. less headaches.
 
Yeah the blazer is an 82...first yr for the diesel if I'm not mistaken. The odometer only has 5 digits so I'm sure it could actually be 165k miles, but the interior of it is mint! So nice that I actually believe the mileage claim.

Thx for the info on the hj60...does anyone know the legalities of importing one? Are they fed legal?

Here's a link to a site that would probably be able to answer your question. They are an excellent resource for all LandCruisers. http://forum.ih8mud.com/diesel-tech-24-volts-systems/

Good luck,
dave
 

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