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I'm not being dishonest. See below.

I could count ten-thousand pickup trucks, Jeeps, and old-school SUVs for every single Land Rover I see off-roading, in industry, or just loading something at Home Depot. Of Land Rovers, I see pristine LR3s and LR4s driving around the medical district most often. It's night and day.

I love it. However the only models we get in the US, start at $124,500 MSRP. So yes, here they are unequivocally not even a consideration.

It was a response to BR's objection that the LR3/4/5 are handbags. If I only see them being used by women, the prissy type, or as status icons, I think the handbag nickname fits.

LR's past neglect of the vehicle is distorting your perspective. The Jeep JL is unsafe in the context of 2020, but it sells extremely well. The CJ7 was unsafe as well in the context of 1985, but again sold well. If the JL was as unsafe as the CJ7 it wouldn't sell either.

Classic Defenders are as gender neutral as a utility vehicle is going to get. Yes, Mercedes has abandoned the utility market as well. They make butch hand bags.

Yet it sells better than ever and fuels the largest 4x4 community by far. Things LR could aspire to. What is happening to the community in particular right now is sad. That is exactly the Defender Demographic. People have always sacrificed reliability and safety for capability, simplicity, and...

I owned an LR3, so I want to agree, but I also sold it after getting tired of dealing with it. When I sold it, only women were interested. Around here, anyone who works with their hands for a living, or in industry, forresty, etc drive trucks, and I don't mean the Ridgeline kind. To this day...

Because they failed to update it, not because the world stopped buying hard-core offroad and utilitarian vehicles, or because its identity or philosophy was flawed, in fact quote the opposite. Trucks and Wranglers have never sold so well. Land Rover forgot how to build a truck in its efforts to...

Not lowest, modern. Modern tech, used in the most simple way possible, and high-tech where it doesn't cause compromise. Make that touch screen as high tech as possible, as long as it isn't needed to operate the vehicle. The old Defender did sell, until they neglected it. The entire damn company...

They were supposed to do both.

I don’t want another old Defender. I want a new Defender that occupies the same niche, applies the same purpose and philosophy as the original, but in the context of 2020. Instead, we got a better Discovery. In modern terms, it should have occupied a space somewhere between the Wrangler...

It didn’t need a carburetor. It needed the simplest interpretation of modern technology possible.

That’s a verbose way of saying the Range Rover is a Bentley, the Discovery is a Range Rover, and the Defender is dead.

Inaccurate. There are reasons that nearly every true utility vehicle uses them; everything from a Wrangler and G-wagen, to mid and full-size trucks, to every medium duty truck and semi out there. Countless vehicles use them today and will continue to. The kind that are actually used for...

Defender MIA

I might get one eventually as well, but only as an LR4 replacement. I'd be very tempted to replace the decals with "Discovery". I have a real Defender already. The new luxury Defender doesn't fit the purpose of the Defender name. It's intentionally the opposite of luxury, to focus on utility ...

Looks exactly like every other SUV and crossover on the market. Where's the innovation to deliver a product that's as tough and utilitarian as the Defender name suggests? Embed airline track in the floor, get rid of the vents and buttons or move them up high to avoid getting dirty or hit by...

Both. At present, I've never seen a market where more trucks, suvs, and recreational 4x4s are being sold. Values for classic 4x4s are sky high, and owners are being paid ridiculous daily fees for media shoots. LR went luxury and forgot how to build a truck, just at the wrong time.

I have little interest in tires over 34" or rock crawling and I've said nothing about the subject. You have to understand what the Defender was, in the context of its time. Let's go back to 1990, roughly 7 years into its life. It was the most hard working, utilitarian, capable, simple, and...