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    New Defender Rage/Hate Thread

    Appears LR's Rob Atkins - chief engineer, vehicle engineering captured the love/hate relationship with LR, that LR does live in a cave: “.........Many of the biggest Defender decisions aren’t obvious, says Atkins, .......... he’s proud of two particular decisions: the use of bigger tyres to...
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    New Defender News

    Before I forget this - Weirdest interview ever. Do these JLR engineers live in caves? Never spent a day on the trail? Ever built a 4x4 on their own? Seriously?
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    New Defender Rage/Hate Thread

    The reality is that Jaguar and Land Rover engineering and design have been collapsed into a single entity. The single team serves different product lines but the goal is to reduce cost and leverage work across both product lines. JLR already wrote down $4B before the latest economic...
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    New Defender Rage/Hate Thread

    Engineering teams have already been collapsed into one team. Design and technology leveraged across a smaller JLR.
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    New Defender Rage/Hate Thread

    I hate to burst all the bubbles on both sides of the discussion but the reality is that the auto industry is headed for a major revamp, top to bottom. Jaguar Land Rover owner's Tata Motors India business HAS NO VALUE, CLSA says. The 2020 product launches were still born, dead, DOA. Avis is in...
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    New Defender Rage/Hate Thread

    So a 'front bumper' is an entire front clip replacement with duct work and thermal management investment. Never going to happen. D5 or Defender.
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    New Defender Rage/Hate Thread

    Never did see a Lucky8LLC D5 front bumper. Only a winch tray. I recall the wing radiators were a problem but maybe they solved that? Maybe not.
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    New Defender News

    And just like that a V8 LR Defender is over $100K .... SC or not. That SVO badge is pricy..... Agreed on the 4cyl being good enough for touring, just not a tow vehicle.
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    New Defender News

    Tow vehicle at altitude. Intermountain West workload profile. The 4 cyl is likely fine for urban flatlanders who occasionally tow a 3K lbs trailer or less but is too small outside that profile. It will struggle as will longevity.
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    New Defender News

    At over $100K for a V8? Here is where LR lost me. The 4cyl to too small, the high tech high-maintenance MHEV 6 cyl is +$12K on the HSE while the same engine as my LR4 is over $100K? The power train strategy is a complete fail.
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    New Defender Rage/Hate Thread

    Pretty much nails it. As my local dealer admitted the Evoque was a statement of the future direction of LR, a "fashion" statement. It took JLRs eye off their core values.
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    New Defender News

    Might be an interesting Fall if the Defender, Bronco and Granadier are brought to market around the same time.
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    New Defender News

    Given that the auto industry is virtually shut down I'm surprised anyone is arguing over the new Defender. Manufacturing in shut down. JLR furloughed half their corporate staff. The just announced they are putting 40% of U.S. staff on paid leave, suspending co-op advertising. Also attempting to...
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    New Defender News

    A naturally aspirated V8 should be lower cost than the MHEV I-6.
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    New Defender News

    We are getting closer to a major change in Tata ownership of JLR and the future of JLR. The shutdown was extended and 20,000 employees were furloughed today, 50% of the workforce.
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    New Defender Rage/Hate Thread

    Gerry McGovern is a 'designer' of style, not substance. That is his job, to lead them in the area of style. He has some success and some failures. His impact on 3rd generation RR was a success. The latest RR's take that another step in that direction. The Evoque is a success AND a fashion...
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    New Defender Rage/Hate Thread

    Looks like JLR is becoming a train wreck as sales slumped and covid-19 takes its toll. VP of marketing steps down CEO asked to delay retirement Bond ratings decline, lending cost increase Sales off 30% and that doesn't include the full impact of Covid-19 Time to cut models and refocus
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    New Defender News

    My unibody on full frame LR4 is as close to a tank as I want to get.
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    New Defender News

    Specs are one thing, common sense is another. Forgot to note that while a vehicle may be rated to tow 8K lbs you definitely don't want to exceed the common sense ratio between tow vehicle weight and trailer weight. Derating 8K by 20% brings you down to 6400 lbs. I would derate that even further...
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    New Defender News

    People, the work profile is 4WD trails, moving 10K lbs over long 2 lane high altitude (8K to 12K ft) mountain grades / passes efficiently and at pace and a reasonable price point. Sorry but a 2.0L doesn't fit the work profile, period. Neither does a Ram 3500 diesel as it too big for trail work...
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