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That might be an expensive accident Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Ok, I am done.... Either you are purposely misunderstanding my comments or you are reading into it and drawing conclusions from words I have not said. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Not sure how you get this from my comments....I respect every opinion. Otherwise we would not be having this discussion. Oh, btw: I am as American as anyone else...just have been around and not within US borders all the time. That gives me a wide worldview and allows me to see some things...

You are missing my point. The only thing I am saying here is that the presence of a firearm will always escalate the situation. The fact that a firearm is in the hands of one of the parties makes the potential outcome fatal....more serious if you prefer. You, as a street officer...do you feel...

All very interesting, though somewhat suspect. This only addresses concealed carry....what percentage of gun carriers are permit holders? I can see where most cc permit holders are not problematic....after all they had to go through some kind of process to obtain that permit ( I will admit I...

Not arguing that assertion...your disagreement was about the presence of a firearm not escalating the situation... Those what ifs were reasonable assumptions....scenarios I could easily see occurring. Please don't challenge me with "facts" or " the data" that you neither provide nor...

Hardly my own facts...consider this scenario: You are confronted by some attacker...bigger than you and acting aggressively .... He states his intention to kick your butt. You, being the good armed citizen you are, display your gun and tell him that is a bad idea. Guy charges you anyway...so...

Didn't Land Rover do something along these lines? I seem to remember some kind of extensive test drive or something....have to do some Googleing later

Interesting discussion

Your assumption is that everyone is a responsible gun owner.... many are not. But neither is every gun owner a frothing at the mouth fanatic looking for a fight... Let me restate my thought about the presence of a gun escalating a situation: instead let me say that the presence of a firearm...

you guys were planning going further south,weren't you? French/Italian Alps if I recall? This road is on the west bank of Lake Garda....so more easterly and Italian? :-) it is a scary trend though.....it seems to be happening more often of late. This one is bad as its a full closure....many...

link to site explaining the closing (in German) https://explorer-magazin.com/2015/tremalzopass-sperrung/

Well, the trend of closing popular Alp routes continues.....looks like effective immediately, the Tremalo pass is no longer open to anything other than walking and bicycles.... Glad I had the chance to drive it back when it was still open...

All good points worth considering. I would argue that the chance of a car accident (seatbelts) is far greater than the chance of needing to defend yourself with a gun. So by using seatbelt, I am addressing a higher risk (higher probability). Maybe my hangup here is how I am thinking of the...

It is strange sometimes what a person will read into a statement you make. I pointed out that taking a life and feeling no remorse is a symptom of both sociopathic (best case) and psychopathic (worst case) behavior. No accusations were made or implied. Folks seem to twist words to fit whatever...

Actually it looks quite clever. Improves the security of the vehicle too....

Well, so much for intelligent. How is any of that unfair? Better question...why do you get so upset about it? Naw, don't answer ...I doubt it would be anything other than another petty attack. At this point I think this has stopped being a discussion and is turning into a squabble...so I will...

Easy brother.... You hit the nail on the head when you said these are my thoughts....that is what I bring to a forum post. You need not agree or even read them if they seem wrong to you. For me, I find a healthy exchange of ideas...even those I disagree with....to be a good thing. Consider this...

Maybe you should go back and read my posts again....I haven't said anything about nobody should carry. I also have tried time and again to keep this from being a discussion about the right to carry. I have not disputed that once. The question was about carrying while out in the boonies...