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Do you know how the quote button works? Please figure it out. Trying to determine out who you are trying to talk to gives me a headache.

So when you get stuck you have to find an even bigger truck? Is that the logic?

Is that for me? I sure hope so.... Go ahead....point out the flaws in my theory.....I'll wait.

So why don't you just start using cable as a recovery strap, it would last forever!....seems like a simple solution for the lazy.....

Right.....so how many shackles do you see in vehicle recoveries like this? I have seen none. Proof testing and testing to MBS are different also. A company COULD test a soft shackle to a proof load, I just don't really see the need generally.... Again.....the shackle can be rated to...

To make a damper system work right you need 3 units for just a simple snatch rope/strap operation ( one at each rigging cluster, and one in the middle ) that weigh a significant amount. When was the last time you saw anyone do that on the trail....

Yeah, ok......

You can WANT everything to stay together all you want, it won't at some point. Everyone loves to use 'rated' this and that..... How many 'RATED' recovery mounting points have you seen? An off the shelf trailer hitch is about as close as we usually get. The example I posted was everything...

The example I posted was not winching, it was a kinetic recovery rope. While a damper can help in those situations, with 10-15lbs of steel flying through the air.....a 3lb damper isn't going to have much effect....

Exactly. This is one of the reasons I have personally made a big push to lighten things up. Everything is going to have a failure point, but if it is light weight when it fails, it will be safer.

It is about trust. You trust your own gear, so do I. I do not trust any random bit of gear I pick up as much these days, that goes for soft or hard gear. I do feel more 'safe' with soft gear these days because less weight and energy. I trust random recovery points on vehicles the least these...

Sounds spicy.

I believe it was one of those receiver hitch to steel soft shackle adapters ( all steel ) , the steel shackle, and then the part of the hitch/welds that failed. I'd call it 10-15lbs?

For me....having a less-questionable spliced connection would be worth the time vs going with the knot? To put some humor in it.....where you needing to run from bandits or something?

I've never had a winch line or soft shackle fail because of mud.....or sand....or rocks.....or snow...or ice. I've been in lots of all of them. There are a LOT of Rainforest Challenge competition vehicles running synthetic winch line in some of the nastiest muddiest environments you can...

In my opinion, adding extra weight into the rigging system is very bad. This is especially true for large 5x rated steel shackles attached to questionable recovery points. That is how the above picture happened when I was on Ultimate Adventure 2014. The mounting point on the stuck vehicle failed...

In general, once the base layers are set with proper tension with synthetic line you have very little to worry about. The problem is that people generally spool their new synthetic line on with ZERO tension by hand. I see this over and over again..... I see a lot of the same issues with steel...

Synthetic winch lines have the same or better ( less ) elongation at break than steel cable.

How often do you use your winch? I've got synthetic lines that are 7+ years old. I've worked with some that are 15+. On the flip side. I have seen steel cable damaged on the first pull of a new ( untested ) winch on many a trail ride. Neither option is stupid proof.

So you are saying you do the same thing for the wire rope on your winch?