1990 Ford E350 7.3 IDI E4OD to ZF5 conversion

VANMAN

Observer
I decided to post this because I have read many people saying they wanted to do the same thing

So I finally got it mostly completed. I am overseas now so I don't have pics. I have heard a lot of things over the years some true some not about doing this conversion.

So an overview is in order.

1975-1991 Body style did come with manual transmissions. All of them that I have seen have 300 6 cylinders with floor mounted 4 speeds. I found at least a couple over the years in PIC N PULL junkyards and pulled the pedal box out of one. It is exactly like the auto pedal box except it has a clutch pedal and brake pedal is slightly smaller. An hour or so to remove steering column and then pedal box unbolts. (Note hole in floor next to throttle pedal for rod from hydraulic master cylinder, you will have to drill hole with step drill, easiest to do while your'e pulling steering column out to install pedal box)

Hydraulic master cylinders in vans come up thru floor as previously stated and has a remote reservoir that I mounted on inside drivers fender under hood. Slave cylinder standard ZF5 slave cylinder. I had custom hose built for master cylinder to slave cylinder maybe $20. ( Both ends have 90 degree bends for clearance)

ZF5 Bolts directly up. I used Southbend Single Mass Flywheel and clutch. Hmmm think it was around $350.

With doghouse off you will have to trim rear part of opening maybe an inch for shifter to clear body ( When dog house goes back on it completely covers hole...easy mod. Shifter rod coming out of trans will have to be straightened or stick shift will be facing back towards passenger compartment. It sits fine now, directly where my hand naturally rests when forearm is on Captain chair armrest.

Hole needs to be cut in the rear of dog house. Semi flat part. Using Plastic flange of boot as template. Looks factory when complete.

Obviously Front and Rear Driveshafts need to be adjusted for length. E4OD is much longer than ZF5. MY BG 1356 transfer case bolted directly up ( I obviously used 4x4 ZF5). Note Most Ford transmissions used same bolt pattern so transfer case install fairly easy.

IF you have a turbo on it than your up pipes will need to be modded. Top front of E4OD has more of a slope and ZF5 goes kinda back then drops down so your up pipes may not fit.

Banks and ATS have different pedastals for the turbo mount. Incidentally Justin at R & D IDI has the best turbo mount and cleanest up pipe install. Nice and tight against the back of engine above the trans and tight against heads. Plus JUSTIN is a great guy!

Fairly easy install. I never liked E4OD, didn't like TCM had issues over the years. I like simplicity of manual trans plus you can push start, Bump start if clutch problems arise in the boonies and I usually clutchless shift anyway.

DO IT! I'll Post pics and let you know how it drives didn't get to drive it before I left.
 

VANMAN

Observer
So got back from my trip.....installed master cylinder and slave cylinder....bench bleeding the whole system works best....I had a master cylinder with a remote reservoir from a 300 6 Cylinder E350....and a standard slave cylinder for a diesel ZF 5 Speed...I did have absolute Hose and fittings in Reno Nevada make a hose for me...use 90 degree fittings for clearance and you do have to clock the fitting that attaches to the reservoir or the hose will kink...I had them attach one end permanent and then put it on, marked it and then had other end attached....put it all together...bench bleed system and install..

I like the Manual trans much better than the E4OD...1st is much lower...unloaded you can start in 2nd....

I did use a Single Mass Flywheel (SMF) instead of DMF....Southbend clutch...rolling slow in any gear at lower RPM's does result in gear roll over noise....cruising not an issue in my mind....highway you don't hear gear roll over...

If anyone decides to do it....drop me a line and we can talk....all in all an easy swap......

1. Clutch pedal setup from a 1975-1991 Ford van bolt in...
2. SMF and southbend clutch
3. Transmission ZF S-42 or 47 from a powerstroke will both work...
4. Shorten driveshaft(s) and roll on!
 

VANMAN

Observer
PS....You also have to heat and bend the rod coming out of the tranny forward or shifter knob would be next to your elbow when driving so you would have to reach back.....where it sits now is completely natural...just forward of my hand on the arm rest....

I have seen other conversions where shifter came up thru the floor behind doghouse....and they supposedly used ZF5....I don't see how that is possible....on mine it's perfect where it comes thru doghouse
 

Oldcarnut

Adventurer
Man that looks good! I envy you.
Less chance of your van disappearing now too with that mysterious third pedal that most people today don't know what it is nor what to do with it.
 

Bikersmurf

Expedition Leader
Excellent work. I’m always impressed when modifications are done so well that the rig doesn’t appear to be modified. You’ve done such a good job, it doesn’t look like you did anything.

There are many different perspectives, but I’ve always preferred standard for off road... and on road also to be honest. If my left knee wasn’t destroyed previously, I’d be hunting for the parts to copy your work. Allas, auto it’ll be for me.
 
nice job, looks like a very neat install. yes, the 1st gear on the ZF5 is just a low/granny gear; P/S version of the ZF5 has even a lower 1st gear. I have owned diesel F-250 with the ZF5 and almost never use 'L', unless I'm trying to pull out tree stumps or fence posts.

I'm about to do a E4OD to ZF5 swap on my '94 E350 Diesel van. the E4OD, even though mechanically OK, sucks because of the computer and all of the sensors that need to work for it to shift properly. I purposely bought a 7.3IDI van, because I did not want to deal with computers and sensors, but didn't realize that the transmission on the van was computer controlled. Almost every problem I have seen has been either a bad sensor or bad connector. I was able to find a low mile ZF5 4x4 locally, but I'm on the fence whether I want to do a full 4x4 conversion or not. I do have a D50 TTB sitting around as well...

I guess first things first, the big difference between the 3rd and 4th gen vans, is that there is no easy OEM clutch setup for the 4th gen, so I figure I need to fab something up using an after market clutch pedal and relocating the brake pedal arm/pad to make room for it. also, installing the 4x4 transmission would require shortening the gas tank to make room for the transfer case. I might hold out and see if I can trade a ZF5 or ZF6 2WD transmission for my 4x4 transmission. I can do the clutch mod in the mean time, while still driving the E4OD and maybe install a behind the axle tank, so I don't have to cut up my side tank, if I want to go through with installing the 4x4 transmission, anyway.
 

spencyg

This Space For Rent
This is cool. I've thought about doing this a handful of times but never got around to it. The big question is what has this done for your MPG? I'm running a C6 and have slip which cuts into my efficiency....always thought a ZF5 would gain me at least a couple MPG.

Nice work.

SG
 
I think it helps the mileage in stop and go traffic, because the torque converter waste a lot of energy when slipping, unless you put it in neutral when stopped. I have had several F-250s with IDI diesels, and it seems there was a difference in mileage in that situation. for highway, there is little difference since both E4OD and ZF5 have over drive and things are all locked up in the auto transmission.

my primary motivation for going manual, is that I like the reliability of the manual transmission over the E4OD. when manual transmissions go out, you usually get a lot of warning (noise) before the event, and often times several gears will still work. I also like to be able to bump start my vehicle, if necessary. of course, if the clutch goes out....

VANMAN did you notice any difference in mileage city vs. highway ?
 
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VANMAN

Observer
Sorry for slow reply..out of the country...haven't checked mileage yet....of course I've been having fun with it...rowing thru the gears ...so mileage is probably worse until I get it out of my system...LOL.....I do much prefer it...

I will check mileage and post upon my return

cynicwanderer...should have read this post before I posted on your 's last night......We are of the exact same mindset regarding manual versus auto....reliability...and simplicity...

You can make an E4OD work...but...its more complicated and I wanted NO COMPUTERS whatsoever....I used to seal the connectors on my E4OD with plastic and electrical tape because of water and dust intrusion...TPS problems...etc etc...

I also like bump starting capability and clutchless shifting with manual...it is SLIGHTLY better in mountains when it comes to the split between gears (talking Sierras and Rockies 7000-10000 feet) but I still will probably put a gear splitter in it for 2-3/3-4 split mostly but also for double overdrive in the flats....I have 4:10 rear...did not like 3:55 for this heavy of a rig

NEXT big project is how to put intercooler in it....may try to look at custom radiator and support so I gain some room....I do have AC so there is that also...

Spence without a doubt the OD would help mileage and with judicious application of throttle it has to be better city driving...how much? beats me!

I'm kicking myself now....I forgot about Boomer having a C6...I would have given you the E4OD if you wanted it...of course if you wanted to keep an automatic I would keep the C6 and just look for a gear vendors...and slap that on it....less hassle then retro fitting computers etc..

With 3:55's and 31 inch tall tires I used to get around 15-16 city and 19-20 Highway...with a best of 23 MPG (probably had a tailwind LOL)…….with 4:10s and 35's....I lost a couple on both City and Highway..I do expect to get a little back in City....mind you this is when I'm trying to get best mileage....which is not often since I have a lead foot!
 
yes, like minds... after the M/T conversion, I need to look at installing a turbo, but again, it's not trivial on the 4th gen (nothing is)., since there is little room. the gear splitter is a good idea as well... it will be fun to go around saying that you have a 10/9-speed (I assume there are two gears that end up in the same ratio).
 

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