1993 Camel Trophy 200TDI

pugslyyy

Expedition Vehicle Engineer Guy
I have a price.....but in mediation, he offered me what I had in it and not a cent more, after saying in court it was worth a bunch of money. His offer was not even close to what it is worth and he made it sound like he has hit hard times....aka....wanting to dupe/guilt trip me into selling it to him, so he can profit.....ha....ok....cool story.... If you want a cheap land rover, I'd suggest Craigslist....you never know what you will find. ;)

The guy sounds like a real *** who got what he deserved - nothing.
 

DeweyH

Observer
wow just wow , glad you got to keep her and cant wait to see it in person ! if you don't sell it before i get out that way
 

joneseyyy

Explorer
Good on you! My fiancé is an attorney and sees these clowns all the time trying to get by without representation.


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NMC_EXP

Explorer
I'm confused.

"Then the sheriff calls back and said" well I found Bob(the guy who sold it to me) and he said he knew about the paperwork, except the bill of sale to you. That makes this a forgery and you are a bonafide purchaser,..."

"...Webb verifies my documentation, except the bill of sell from Webb to Bob."


Lemme see if I have this straight: Webb gave the Disco to his brother Charlie. Charlie parked it at Bob's place. Bob forged a bill of sale from Webb to himself then sold the LR to you?

I'm hung up on the Sheriff saying: "That makes this a forgery and you are a bonafide purchaser..." . "Forgery" and "bonafide" don't seem to go together very well.

I'm curious because I may be leaving an FJ40 at my brothers place for a couple of years....in CO.
 

Tohelluride

I like wheel'in around!
I'm confused.

"Then the sheriff calls back and said" well I found Bob(the guy who sold it to me) and he said he knew about the paperwork, except the bill of sale to you. That makes this a forgery and you are a bonafide purchaser,..."

"...Webb verifies my documentation, except the bill of sell from Webb to Bob."


Lemme see if I have this straight: Webb gave the Disco to his brother Charlie. Charlie parked it at Bob's place. Bob forged a bill of sale from Webb to himself then sold the LR to you?

I'm hung up on the Sheriff saying: "That makes this a forgery and you are a bonafide purchaser..." . "Forgery" and "bonafide" don't seem to go together very well.

I'm curious because I may be leaving an FJ40 at my brothers place for a couple of years....in CO.



So basically, Webb gave the brother everything that the truck had to show for ownership(original bill of sale, keys, statement of fact,etc). Since this truck is an off-road only vehicle and was not titled/registered as a off-road vehicle in the United States. So, it is considered in the category of "farm equipment." The judge ruled that the Webb gave the truck/info to his brother, knowingly and willingly. What it came down to is that, either way, if it was a forgery or not, I am a bonafide purchaser, because I bought it in good faith. So I can't be sued, but the property can be reclaimed if proven stolen. It was not proven stolen in the court of law. For the forgery part, the Sheriff was not allowed to claim it was a forgery, because he is not an expert on forgery. He also tried to reclaim it with going through due process, which is illegal/sneaky. Technically, the car was abandoned on bobs property and "the forgery" was void, anyways. The thing about the document, is that the brother and Bob had schemed to sell it. I think the brother had something to do with it, as well.

My advice to you, is to not worry because your vehicle is probably titled and registered. But if you wanna make sure, get a certified document, stating you can leave the car on his property. Then if he sales it, you can reclaim the property and sue your brother, if you wish. Which is a sucky situation, if I might add.
 

Tohelluride

I like wheel'in around!
A small update. :)

So the weekend was pretty clear and warm, so I decided to take a small drive!(in the town I store the disco, they allow off-road only and farm vehicles on the road....which is good for me!)



Trying to figure out the wiring for the lights. They spliced into the original harness...so I'm gonna order new plugs...now I just got to figure out what each wire does.












Also, "RoverBarn" had a set of fog hella 1000's that he sold me. *Bidding on some driving lamps in the UK. *Should have those soon, as well. Unless someone has some hella 1000 driving lights laying around... ;)




Also, found the original makers for the camel trophy plaques, so I'll have those ordered soon.
 
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Tohelluride

I like wheel'in around!
Scavenged another photo, possibly more, from another source. *Here is a taste! *:)




Also, I ordered my driving lights and new front/rear camel trophy plaques from the UK.


 

Tohelluride

I like wheel'in around!
The plaques are in! They look great! The driving Hellas are on the way from the UK as we speak!

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4Rescue

Expedition Leader
So, here is an update! With this situation, I have been keeping it secret. I didn't want to stir up anything whilst dealing with it. Enjoy!

Originally, when I bought the car, i thought it was a fake. But with the diesel, I thought....heck...why not.... Once I found out it was rare, I started to search for missing parts. I had a friend who knew Tom Collins and got me in contact. After I talked to Tom, I received Webber Arnold's(1991 camel trophy driver?) number. Webb was the first owner, after the truck was damaged. I have some paperwork that came with the truck and his name is on the first bill of sale from Land Rover of North America. So, I decided to give him a call. No answer. I left a message saying the truck was broke and was looking for missing parts. Soon after, he called me and said: "Oh, it's running and working? It's stolen!" Which I responded with, Bullsh*t. Then he called a Mesa County sheriff and told the sheriff his side, only. The sheriff called and said that I might have a stolen vehicle. I said how could it be stolen, if I have paperwork(bill of sales leading up to me)? Which the sheriff responded, " Oh, there is paperwork? Webb didn't tell me that. Fax it over." Then the sheriff calls back and said" well I found Bob(the guy who sold it to me) and he said he knew about the paperwork, except the bill of sale to you. That makes this a forgery and you are a bonafide purchaser, we will tow the vehicle and you will be compensated. We are going to tow the vehicle." Then, out of nowhere, San Miguel County shows up, getting ready to tow the vehicle. I Called my lawyer immiadiatly, and we threatened to sue San Miguel County and Mesa County for not going through "Due Process". They backed off and would allow it to go through the court system, and the sheriff dropped his case. Then Webb filed a civil suit against me for possession of the truck. Webb screws up the paperwork,multiple times(saying I lived in Mesa county, etc), doesn't get a lawyer, and tries to serve me a week before a court date in grand junction(which we get it moved telluride, soon after). With the extra time, We decided to get the sheriffs report and check out his investigation. We read the entire thing from start to finish, and found out hthe sheriff dropped the case, not because of us threatening to sue, but because he found some interesting info out. Webb gave the land rover to his brother(Charlie) in 2009ish(all the documentation, keys, etc), who kept it on his property. Soon after, Charlie's marriage goes to **** and his wife wants the truck off the property.....Charlie then tries to joint sell it with Bob to a guy in Alaska, but the sale falls through and the truck is parked on Bob's property for over a year, without contact or payment, making it abandoned. Bob had the right to sell it and the fault was with Charlie. We finally make it to a preliminary hearing. Webb verifies my documentation, except the bill of sell from Webb to Bob. Webb doesn't bring a lawyer(tries to make his wife the power of attorney, so he doesn't have to pay a lawyer and get help from her?.....which is not how that works...) and pisses off the judge right away, who normally sides with people who feel wronged. I win the preliminary by a land slide and the land rover was ordered the stay in my possession. The judge orders a mandatory mediation. So we let Webb chooses a Mediator, and we head to montrose. Both pay the fee, sit in separate rooms, and the mediator does his job. Webb tries some bargaining, still without a lawyer, and We decline, giving him the option of dropping the case or going to court and his almost guaranteed loss, having to pay my attorney fees in full. After a couple hours, the mediator convinces him that he will not win and to back off. He signs the paper work and the truck is STILL legally mine, but now with added bonus of it being mine in the "eyes" of Colorado. Either way It was a honor to meet Mr Arnold! I was also honored for Mr. Arnold to meet my lawyer. ;)

Lesson of the day, lady's and gents, is to get a lawyer if you need one(you get what you pay for, especially when choosing a lawyer) and if you wanna tango with me, let's tango....cause I don't ******** around. ;)

Hope the read was not too long.



Ps: I'm not here to slander anyone's name. I am just telling my story, with facts from the Mesa County Sheriff's reports and my lawsuit information/outcome.

I understand what you mean about "slandering names", but in reality (that place a few of us still visit from time to time) you don't strike me as the kind of man to drag someone's name through the mud for fun (nor am I saying you did now), and if they'd have done the right thing in the first place there would have been nothing to say, the conversation would never have taken pace. Honesty is not slander no matter how much some folks think it is. As the cops LOVE to use when it's in their favor, "if you haven't done anything then you have nothing to worry about". Thankfully, we the citizens do have Lawyers to fight back. There I see the purpose of lawyers.

This kind of situation is exactly why my wife came as such a "bonus" aye... Her father is a former States Attorney and his "buddies" are a crew of the who's who of West-Coast State/Federal heavyweights like few lawyers can be. I really HATE that we've become such a litigious society and that we seem to "need" (or are forced to need) Lawyers for nearly everything these days... BUT, when you come up against something like this, it's nice to know you'e got the biggest gun in the field aye ;) Good on ya for fighting for whats right.

As for the truck: Awesome to see this little piece of history out and about still being loved. I'm a Toyota guy, but can anyone who loves 4wd's, no matter what their brand may be, ever, EVER, NOT like a Camel Trophy Truck??? I don't think that's allowed is it??? Nope, not allowed. Just a beyond neat truck mate, good tuck with whatever you do with her. I'd love to see her get straightened up geometrically and back to race-start condition (I'm thinking seats and interior and electricals mostly) but keep as much of the "patina" as is humanly possible. It certainly checks off a lot of my "Turn Ons": Diesel Powered check, Real competing CT truck check, Manual trans check, "mojo" like few guitars have check ... man what a thing of beauty. And most importantly, beauty that comes through function.

Cheers

Dave
 

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