2002 Tundra as an expedition Truck? Compared to FZJ80 and Tacoma

xcmountain80

Expedition Leader
Here is a thought. Buy the FZJ80, use the money that you would have to do a diesel swap to rebuild/rehab the whole truck and do some expo mods. Now you are $10k ahead of the game (or $5k or so if you are doing your own wrenching). :chef:

Ya but he'll get crap for fuel economy at this point he'd be better off swapping for a diesel and perhaps building himself a trailer..... well that was my plan for the 4Runner as I don't ever anticipate selling it.


Aaron
 
Ramdough-

The strengths of the Tundra, in general, are the engine, cab space, bed volume, wheelbase and track width. It's very stable at speed and with a load (assuming you have the proper suspension).

The weaknesses are the departure angle (easily fixed with a simple high clearance bumper, as the offending material is nothing but sheetmetal), and the overall strength of the front drivetrain, which in the early models is identical to the early Tacomas. Gears were different in later models, but IIRC the axles remained the same, and therefore remain the most common failure point.

The frame was not built for a solid axle. Jon's UA Tundra has very limited compression travel (two or three inches, I think was the number), whereas a built independent suspension on the same frame can have as much as seven inches of compression travel, with an equal amount of droop...tho you'll not get the improvement in strength that IMHO the truck needs to push a larger tire (particularly with that engine). You'll be making a tradeoff whether you keep the IFS or convert to a solid axle.

It does not come with lockers. That's not a bad thing, as it means you don't spend unnecessary money on a factory locker, but it does mean you're looking at an expensive and time consuming group of modifications...lockers, gears, compressor, air tank.

The only competent, mass-market aftermarket bumper is the ARB, which robs a great deal of approach angle. You can overcome that downside with an RCD kit, but you also get the higher center of gravity for no improvement in strength or capability other than the approach and departure angle.

33" tires are easy to fit. 35" tires require a completely different mindset toward modification as well as driving style. That in mind, I will not go back to 33" tires...35s are so much nicer on sand and rocks, particularly at 12psi.

Fuel economy with 6500# GVW is about 19mpg max highway, average more like 17-18mpg. I have not seen this change, despite changes in tire size and gearing, on my truck...only driving style and use (4WD, in-town, short trip, etc) seems to change the mileage.

Hope that helps a bit. My build thread is buried somewhere around here, truck's been under the knife for a while. There are quite a few little "gotchas" that I've noticed over the years, if you do go with a Tundra, I might be able to point out a few as they're not all readily apparent...the self-destruction of my rear spring hangers & shackles was part of a "gotcha" which was developing for approximately seven years.

I like your camper idea. What about the popup style that I believe I've seen on a certain T100 in this thread? ;)

-Sean
 
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jim65wagon

Well-known member
If you could get Jon's truck out of his hands you'd be all set! All you'd have to do is add your camper to it. It's already SAS'd and one of the bloody coolest trucks you'll ever see. I hope you decide to build one; I like the idea you have.
 

01tundra

Explorer
Here's a little motivation for you - in my opinion a 1st gen Tundra is a good size for an expo rig and can be modified to do very well both on & off road also (yeah......so what if I'm a little biased :)!).....now my '08 Tundra on the other hand - not a chance.

Since the recent rebuild, I now have somewhere between 3-1/2" - 4" of uptravel with 37" tires and I was able to keep the frame rails down to 24" off the ground to keep my center of gravity low. With the new Atlas t-case clocked to 0 degrees, I was able to pull off a true flat belly - so now I'm sitting low & wide with lots of ground clearance and enough uptravel to not bottom out on the rough stuff at speed.....and by some stroke of dumb luck managed to keep the oil pan from hitting anything.


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jim65wagon

Well-known member
Need I repeat myself. That is the bloody coolest Tundra ever! Picture your camper design on the back of that. Feeling inspired now aren't you? Follow along the lines of 01Tundra, Dyogim, Devinsixtyseven and Roundout's Tundras and you'll go places most of us dream about. And, yeah, I know two of those are still IFS but they are really well built trucks and deserve to be looked at seriously for ideas....
 
That reminds me, for an awesome, awesome idea...check out Gary's (Roundout) dual battery setup. Under the bed, behind the rear axle, combined with an air tank...it makes a HUGE difference in how the truck handles.
 

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