2011 Jeep Wrangler Spy Shots...
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Agreed, I would never buy a Wrangler with the 3.8L, but if they did come out with a diesel version I would be in line to buy one so fast my wife wouldn't even have time to protest! :coffeedrink:
x32792
Adventurer
The new 2011 Wrangler comes with the 3.8L. They may(?) get the newer 3.6L later in the year, but like everything Jeep, don't believe it until you see it.
Regarding diesel in America, my desire to buy one is cooling after some more research. Unless you just gotta have a whole lot of towing capacity, they are looking less attractive and less affordable with each passing year. Once you get past the initial Window Sticker Shock, you still have to contend with higher diesel fuel prices which erase any fuel consumption advantage and nose bleed high repair bills.
But wait, there's more...I recently looked at a new Ford Super Duty Diesel Truck which costs almost as much as a house...It had two fuel caps.
The little secondary blue one is where you add the federally mandated emission control super sauce which must be mixed with diesel fuel.
When I asked a friend who manages a fleet of diesel trucks, "Can this be bypassed?, he said,"No."
"What happens if you run out of super sauce in the middle of nowhere?" He replied, "The motor shuts down."
"How much will the super sauce cost?" He shrugged his shoulders, "Who knows? In the middle of nowhere it might be $100 a fluid ounce?"
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Redline
Likes to Drive and Ride
I like the way you said that :sombrero:
My wife might protest the new debt, but she would certainly understand as she is a diesel fan too. "IF" they deliver a nice little turbo diesel in the near future (I'm not holding my breath) I'll buy one too. It would be lots cheaper than entertaining a J8 for 60k!
I too like the amenities and comforts of modern vehicles, as long as they remain functional.
My wife might protest the new debt, but she would certainly understand as she is a diesel fan too. "IF" they deliver a nice little turbo diesel in the near future (I'm not holding my breath) I'll buy one too. It would be lots cheaper than entertaining a J8 for 60k!
I too like the amenities and comforts of modern vehicles, as long as they remain functional.
jingram
Adventurer
That "super sauce" is urea and it is one of two ways to clean up diesel emissions. The other is called a NOx trap, think more along the lines of a catalytic converter on steroids.
From what I have read, this is not Ford trying to be a pain in your ******** and shut you down, far from civilization, rather it was mandated by the EPA that if a diesel isn't running clean, the car must not be allowed to operate.
The real issue with urea, specifically on the diesel implementations from Audi and Mercedes that use it is that there is no way to monitor how much Urea you have left. There is a dummy light that comes on, but nothing remotely like a fuel gauge for it. It is supposed to be behind the scenes, something the dealer takes care of, but that doesn't work too well in overlanding circles. VW on the other hand uses the NOx trap, which are more expensive to produce, but get away from the whole additive scene.
Urea is not nearly that expensive, although it has gone up substantially in price and I have no idea what a stealership would charge.
Good MotorTrend Article on Urea
stonehenge
Observer
Its all because of people like the ones on this forum that Nauga's are extinct. 
tacomadave
Adventurer
Urea is a component of human urine, and apprently no, you can't just pee in the tank in a pinch if you run out lol.
http://www.greencarreports.com/blog...-clean-diesel-cars-can-i-just-pee-in-the-tank
getlost4x4
Expedition Leader
I happen to sell Mercedes vehicles. And I am certified with Mercedes.
The Mercedes Bluetec Diesels to monitor the AdBlue in the tank. It will tell you when you are getting low in the display. it will tell you how many starts you have left before you have to add more of the Adblue. It will start the message at 25 more starts.
On the Mercedes, the AdBlue is dumped into the exhaust stream and Mixes with the NoX. It reacts with the NoX and changes it into CO2, if i remember right.
The mercedes is pretty amazing. You can't smell any burnt diesel from the tail pipe. we have had this thing running in the showroom, and you can't smell anything.
the AdBlue is a pain though. there is a shelf life on it. and the sensors in the vehicle know if its going bad. its also pretty hard to find right now. our dealership doesn't even stock the stuff. we order it whenever we know someone is bringing a diesel in for service.
The Mercedes Bluetec Diesels to monitor the AdBlue in the tank. It will tell you when you are getting low in the display. it will tell you how many starts you have left before you have to add more of the Adblue. It will start the message at 25 more starts.
On the Mercedes, the AdBlue is dumped into the exhaust stream and Mixes with the NoX. It reacts with the NoX and changes it into CO2, if i remember right.
The mercedes is pretty amazing. You can't smell any burnt diesel from the tail pipe. we have had this thing running in the showroom, and you can't smell anything.
the AdBlue is a pain though. there is a shelf life on it. and the sensors in the vehicle know if its going bad. its also pretty hard to find right now. our dealership doesn't even stock the stuff. we order it whenever we know someone is bringing a diesel in for service.
winkosmosis
Explorer
One of the comments says you can put distilled water in the urea tank. Of course if you're carrying distilled water you might as well carry urea...
http://wot.motortrend.com/6310167/g...our-clean-diesel-will-stop-running/index.html
x32792
Adventurer
So if I run out of federally mandated super sauce in the middle of nowhere, can I just pee in the secondary tank with the little blue cap?
tacomadave
Adventurer
x32792
Adventurer
Look 4 posts back, I covered this.
Thank you for the confirmation there's no pee like federally mandated pee.