2012 Canter FG details

Transfer Case?

I think I found the achilles heel with the new NA Fuso Canter...a dealer I was speaking with said they do not have a two speed transfer case. The loss of a low range means additional spend to procure and install a transfer case. Has anyone seen info to the substantiate or dispel this data point?
 
I think this claim is false.

The press release from Fuso USA says, "...the FG4X4's transfer case range-selector lever is mounted at dashboard height, to the left of the steering wheel, so the floor area is clear of obstructions."

If the transfer case were single-speed, there would be no need for a selector lever for high or low range. It's possible that the dealer looked into the cab and didn't realize that the range selection lever was in a different location.

The quote is on this page, about 3/4 the way down the page.
http://www.mitfuso.com/en-US/News/2011/3/new-2012-canter-series-unveiled
 
I dont see anywhere a mention of a single speed transfer case (searched the linked article for the term). It says range selector, which I am assuming to mean selecting between high range and low range. To the left of the steering wheel on a US model means to me that its not a "gear lever" at all, but instead a switch or button like many modern trucks and SUVs, where the ranges are changed with servos or solenoids.
 
Lance Gillies of EarthCruiser attended the launch event.

In a conversation at OvEx 2011 Lance told me that the 2012 does not have a dual range transfer case.

Note that this info is 2nd hand. I was not personally at the launch event.
 
why would doubling or tripling your crawl ratio be useless? i realise the torque converter offers some slip and torque multiplication, but you are not going to convince me that a truck with a 2:1 low range drives the same as a truck with a 1:1 case that can only be shifted from 2wd high to 4wd high (no low range)

I realise an FG is not a rockcrawler but everything from slow speed technical driving to backing up a trailer to getting a heavy load started can benefit from a low range gear set.,
 
in my experience, if you have an automatic, dual transfers are useless on a substantial truck.
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from my understanding it is not a true automatic transmission, it is a twin clutch automated manual (crash-box). so no drive slip or torque multiplication.

i severely doubt Fuso Aus will go with no transfer though.
 
^^^ it is a DSG type box, so I stand corrected for the FG in particular (no slip/no TC) but even with a normal auto, I stand by my statements.

In the 2006 Brochure I have, the trans is listed as Mitsubishi five speed with two speed transfer case. The 2012 brochure does not say that, nor does it list a separate t-case.

In theory, it could be "built in" to the transmission as some AWD cars and SUVs are nowadays, i.e. there is not a separate transfer case like Dana 300, Atlas, NP241, style that bolts onto the back of the transmission housing.
 
DzlToy said:
why would doubling or tripling your crawl ratio be useless? i realise the torque converter offers some slip and torque multiplication, but you are not going to convince me that a truck with a 2:1 low range drives the same as a truck with a 1:1 case that can only be shifted from 2wd high to 4wd high (no low range)

I realise an FG is not a rockcrawler but everything from slow speed technical driving to backing up a trailer to getting a heavy load started can benefit from a low range gear set.,
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I sense some hostility in your response mate.
Believe me, I have driven MAN 8X8, been in RFW 6X6, drove RFW 4X4 rear engine 3208 cat with MT653 allison for years in some of the worst and testing conditions, and you don't need extra reduction. maybe in a piss ant baby suv is handy, but in the larger stuff, it doesn't really matter.
If the FG has a fully automated MANUAL transmission, then I have no experience with that.
If not, you can go to Hell for calling me a liar....the auto does the work, you don't need extra reduction.
 
Yup, the second sentence reads, "It’s loaded for off-road duty, with 9” of ground clearance; all-terrain tires, locking hubs; heavy-duty axles, shocks and springs; high/low transfer case; and a 6-speed DUONIC transmission."
 
no hostility here mate, but it appears to be a moot point now according to the above info.

The auto does provide reduction as you stated. However a low range transfer case would further increase the low speed ratio and the auto would still provide its normal reduction. Is there enough reduction without the t-case low range? Maybe, just depends on the design and use, IMO...

EDIT: IIRC, all previous FGs have been manual only, so this is the first with a slushbox, much less a six speed slushbox with a DSG type of shifting.

Cheers.
 
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DzlToy said:
no hostility here mate, but it appears to be a moot point now according to the above info.

The auto does provide reduction as you stated. However a low range transfer case would further increase the low speed ratio and the auto would still provide its normal reduction. Is there enough reduction without the t-case low range? Maybe, just depends on the design and use, IMO...

EDIT: IIRC, all previous FGs have been manual only, so this is the first with a slushbox, much less a six speed slushbox with a DSG type of shifting.

Cheers.
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G'day mate,
Fair enough, no hostility taken.
The slush of course has infinitely variable amount of slip, and depending on your requirements, they can be far more easy to drive, but can also be more difficult.
For Example, one of the ex-logging truck contractors who went in to work one of the 8x8 MAN compactors on Fraser Island, found himself in neutral on a rather steep slope and almost had an incident. I told him that when it happened to me, I just put my foot to the floor and the box would reselect a gear, use the engine brake to arrest the acceleration and all was good. He thought I was an idiot, but you need to become the machine on that Island, and not dictate to the machine what it has to do.
Rock hopping over Nagala was awesome in high range, using either heel/toe method or foot on either pedal method, depending on how good you were in touch with the machine. Using Low range was hopeless as you got too much jerking through the drivetrain and would twist the tailshafts. We would let the auto do what it does best, and work with the fluid drive.
Only from my experiences..
Chock
 
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