2012 Tacoma Doublecab work truck

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I knew that gas mileage was going to be a crap problem. Range being the biggest concern with efficiency just being the sand in my shorts (irritating but not life threatening). I bought the truck knowing that I was going to have to live with gas cans or spring for a new tank. After reading the post and following up with auxiliary gas tanks, can mounting, plumbing problems and CEL problems I called up Shayne at Custom Exhaust Specialties in Bend and had him build me one of their 35 gallon tanks. The serious downside is the time needed to go up to Bend OR and have the tank installed. That will be done this winter when field work winds down and I can con a few friends into driving up/ back with me. So now I have to live with the 250-300 mile range.....

Seriously Toyota??? My rental jeep wrangler unlimited had a 400 mile range stock! (with 19mpg) I still had to fill up the truck daily but I could rest a little easier knowing that I could go look at a project two counties away and not be stuck in the middle of no where NM.

Where is the 25mpg small pickup??? Oh yeah the last one of those was built in 1985 - SA front end, manual hubs 22RE fuel injected motor.

Can't you have the tank shipped down to you, give Bill's Toy Shop in Silver City a ring, they should be able to do the install.

http://billstoyshop.com/

Yeah, the Taco's fuel economy blows...could always give Diesel Toys a holler...you're wallet will be $25K lighter though.

http://dieseltoys.com/
 

hornytoad

Desert Geologist
Kermit - Ecoboost, man don't know what to say just tried to build one online and ford told me not avaliable. I'm loving the taco but ford/jeep are my runner ups. I really want to see what everybody has avaliable in five years when I do this again.

dieseltoys - are your trying to fix the economy with my wallet? I have looked with lust at their products for years but the $$$ is just overkill. Plus I have done the custom rig/fuel injection/motor transplant Never Again!

CES wants me to come up and do the final fab work in their shop, I think it will help them with a fit kit. Plus my wife and I have friends in Bend we haven't seen in a few years.

613 duramax - That fairing is smooth! I will think about it, right now the noise isn't so bad. For some reason Thule is mounting the fairing back from the windscreen, I can play with the settings a bit but right now it sounds like Thule knew what they were doing.
 

Clutch

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Kermit - Ecoboost, man don't know what to say just tried to build one online and ford told me not avaliable.

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Weird, might be your zip code you are using, works on for my zip.

A crew 4wd eco on ebay

I am diggin on the JK's...now only if Jeep threw a diesel in there.


dieseltoys - are your trying to fix the economy with my wallet? I have looked with lust at their products for years but the $$$ is just overkill.

Hey it is only money, they' print more. :ylsmoke:

Yeah, $25K will buy an awful lot of petrol...
 
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hornytoad

Desert Geologist
1st week of field work...

well the taco did not disappoint - Went everywhere, basically was used as an ATV+ going cross county to follow power lines and on oil field roads to examine a new batch of well to remediate.

The 245 75 R17 BFG TA with FJ cruiser steel wheels is just awesome. For "technical" tails I can see dropping the pressure but for my uses 45 psi highway/off-road works great. The added lift helps keep the skid plate from bouncing off the rocks as much and the slightly larger diameter rolls over the caliche access roads well. 4" cobbles and larger require one to slow down a bit as the suspension can't keep up with the jarring.

Put approx 1500 miles on the truck in 5 days gas mileage went from sub 16 to 18.5 over the week. The truck still only has 3,800 miles on it so it is still breaking in. The taco loves 70mph on cruise control, it is not very happy with 85 ( I had to drive my contractor back to Odessa TX and the highway's there are crazy).

If I get some time later this week I will swap out the diff, transfer case and transmission fluids to Red Line.

Ryanmb21 - Unfortunately the rack needs to stay. The short bed was even more pronounced in the field (basically the taco is a four person Razer with a tool box on it). Occasionally i do have to visit the driller's shop/hardware store and pick up long items for work.

Dumb *** question but which way are the 05 + tacoma springs supposed to curve? Mine have a negative arch to them sitting in the driveway with no extra weight.
 

achampagne

Explorer
They should curve up, mine just curve up and I keep reading on www.tacomaworld.com that some guys have a 3 leaf pack and most guys have a 2 leaf pack. I plan to throw a AAL in mine to help out but I have also read to not add a short one as it just band aid the problem for a while and drop back to a negative curve. So if you really want to fix the issue it sounds like a aftermarket leaf pack is the way to go.
 

hornytoad

Desert Geologist
Field work and broken things...

So the stock suspension is dying much faster than I had anticipated. I had high hopes of it lasting a year and it is quickly telling me that it might last another month or two of field work.

I currently have 9.5k on the clock today and will end this project with around 11k on it.

The Good - mpg has been steadily increasing (17mpg average) and I'm getting less "swing" from low to high (14.5-19mpg)

The Bad - tweaking the roofrack has helped with mpg, the Thule faring catches the wind at a weird angle and acts like a sail in a crosswind. Taking it off has increased the bar whistle but I think it smooths out the airflow over the cab. However wind noise is up, and I haven't given up on the roof top deck yet. Taking the roof rack off completely did not help mpg.

The Ugly - The springs and shocks, what started off as a plush suspension is now a suspension with no high sped dampening and about 1-2in of usable upward travel. The rear springs are shaped like a "M" with a couple of inches of negative arch. The rear suspension bottoms out with a load on cracks in the highway and pretty much bottoms out continuously on the oil field roads. So far the shocks are not leaking but are pretty much worthless.

Sooo I'm thinking of skipping the OME and other suspension packages and going with a Racerunners 2.5/2.0 kit and some Deavers (7 leaf) rear springs.

Looking for a minimal lift (the wheel package is giving me the clearance I need) but need a suspension that will be durable and shocks that are user rebuildable.

If anyone has any suggestions please post them, the dealer is willing to talk to me about the problem however having the time to go to go the dealership has been an issue. Plus I don't think that there is much they can do, unless I have a bad spring /shocks combo whatever they give me will do the same thing in a month or two.

Future work:

January is gas tank month and I need to install a set of skid plates before I go. Probably going to break down and get a set of Bud Built aluminum plates.

Suspension - Springs and shocks and remove the front swaybar

Bumper - Come on ARB get with the program!! And of course a winch with synthetic line

Rock rails - camping trips and boulders around the job site demand these
 

Plannerman

Wandering Explorer
I seriously doubt you have a bad spring-shock combo. The stock springs on these trucks are embarrassing. The dealer should be able to set you up with a four leaf pack and bilsteins all around through the harsh ride suspension TSB. This will improve performance and give up to an inch of lift in the rear.


Sent via fat thumb
 

hornytoad

Desert Geologist
Minor problem - The leaf pack on the truck is the four spring one. Hopefully work will let up for a week so I can get the Taco into the dealership and get an answer.

I guess I could throw a set of Bilstien 5100's under the truck if they give me a new set of springs, see if that helps at all. Just kinda pissed that i have to mess with this at all.
 

hornytoad

Desert Geologist
Dealer info

OK so I had a few days at home and took the truck back to the dealer to look a short list of gripes. Truck has 10,500 miles on it.

1. Suspension it feels like the shocks are wearing out and the suspension has a front and rear 1.5 inch sag to it already. Rear is worse.

2. Whine coming from the rear diff at highway speeds

3. Knocking/pinging under acceleration. Using 86 octane gas at 9-3k feet of elevation.

Dealer response after riding around with two different techs and leaving the truck with the dealership for the day.

1. I do have the 4 leaf TSB springs installed already, tech suspected bad metallurgy from suppler. Unfortunately nothing Toyota will do at this time. Agreement that suspension parts are wearing very quickly but without something breaking or leaking they can't replace it.

2. No whine detected (of course). Master tech recommended an aggressive fluid change cycle due to use of vehicle. Annual complete fluid change including the transmission, diffs, transfer case and radiator.

3. Master tech recommended medium or premium gas to alleviate pinging, suggested that it "might" help gas mileage as well. A tank full of 88 octane Shell has made a noticeable improvement in drivabality. See what happens with gas mileage. (Currently averaging 16.5-17)

I know this seems a little nit picky but A. This is my first new vehicle B. This truck is the life blood of my consulting business, broke truck = no work. C. I'm trying to get any and all problems resolved/documented before my warranty expires (at this rate it will expire before I have had the truck a year).

So truck mods are shifting a little this fall - I have to order skid plates before I drive up to CES for the gas tank install. This way they can build the gas tank skid plate and a "bridge" piece that will connect the transfer plate to the gas tank for a smooth bottom.

With my work load I do not have a window to perform truck work until Chrismas.

Once I have the tank and plates on I will think about other armor and necessary suspension mods to carry the extra weight more comfortably. An ARB bumper with winch and synthetic cable is high on the list as is rock guards and a traction bar to eliminate spring wrap.

ARB bumper aprox 78lbs? Winch with synthetic line ???? Bud Built steel 4 piece skidplates steel 147lbs. Rock rails 75lbs?

I will have to think about how weight and use affect the ride, most of the time I am driving solo with a 50lb cooler, the 75 lb topper, the 10 lb roof rack (the front rack went back to REI after combating mpg and wind noise problems) and approximately 200lbs of "stuff" (chainsaw, chop saw, rock bar, shovels, first aid kits,10 lb fire extinguisher, 5 gallon Indian sprayer, 7gal water can, pipeline detector, radiation detector, sampling equipment etc....)

However when I am hanging out with the family the truck really gets punished, 5 passengers (750lbs of people plus the lighter 200lb of stuff in the bed) on a hiking trip over "unimproved" forest roads had me riding on the bumpstops and catching the front cross member on every damn rock I could find.

Looks like a solo driver with bumper, winch and skids and normal load is going to be over 900lbs (400lbs of that is armor). With passengers that will be pushing 1500 lbs.

With the armor, gas and my loads are off the shelf suspension kits going to cut it? I have looked at ARB and Ironman and have a local ARB dealer.

Should I also be looking at Fox, Racerunner, Deaver, Alcan ???

Thanks for reading...
 

Clutch

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I would trade it in on a fullsize 1/2-3/4-1 ton truck.

From the sounds of things you are going to be at its' limit or over it...anything you do to it
will be band-aid fixes. All of that armor is going to effect payload. Having to weigh everything and worry about what gear you can or can not bring
would get old. So the downside is a a bigger truck...but it looks like, that is what you need.

Out here in the West you can stick a fullsize any where the Taco will go, you'll just get more pinstriping..
 
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VATACO

Adventurer
Would look at an Icon suspension. Coilovers and dual shocks in the rear with a custom leaf pack would help.

Your real problem is people weight not gear. You're basically suspending the majority of you weight between the axles with little weight over the axle.

Larger vehicle may be a better bet for you, but I would not want to wheel with that many people in a vehicle as small as the Tacoma.
 

hornytoad

Desert Geologist
Kermit and VATACO - Good points but the 5 person loading was a fluke, most of the time I am solo. As much as I have gripped about the taco is is usually the most nimble vehicle on locations. Now that I know that Toyota is't going to back my suspension problems I will just start planning on building a replacement suspension. The taco is my daily driver and I have driven full size pickups enough to not want one.

The closest overlanding rid that I have seen that is close to what I will do is Bajataco and that rig seems like overkill. However his suspension design of Racerunner shocks/struts with heavy duty rear spring should keep me out of trouble.

Coilovers are looking like a good replacement due to the high speed fade that occurs with the rough oil field roads and the crappy county roads that I drive on. I will want to be able to rebuild the shocks/struts myself without having to ship my suspension off for a couple of weeks

The skid plates and gas tank are going in this year, the bumper and winch are optional. I will not have draws, a bed platform, RTT or anything super heavy in the bed except for my 200lbs of misc junk.
 

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