Thanks R! I'm kind of deciding between an OB and a cherokee trailhawk (not grand cherokee, GC is too expensive), cherokee is obviously more offroad ready right away, but OB is so much better in every other aspect (cargo space, eyesight, fuel efficiency, etc)
If I get the OB, I think I will need to install the skid plates, new suspension, new tires and also one or two full size spare tires, probably 3000 bucks to make it equivalent as a stock cherokee trailhawk
then another several grand on push bar, off road lights, rear bar, etc and etc
anyway, my mind is set on OB for now, still have several months ahead to change my mind