2015/2016 New 3rd gen Tacoma Debut in Detriot

[Littlehouse]

Very nice! Unless GM releases the ZR2 this may be something to get until the new Raptor is released. Has toyota ever had a problem with 1st year models?

 

[bkg]

Doesn't seem possible that they could get a 3.5L to put out numbers close to the 4.0L in a true Atkinson cycle engine.

I could actually deal with a tad less power with improved mpg, my current truck is a 4.0 taco, and compared to my last truck (4.0 Ranger) it almost feels excessive. Not compared to the truck I had briefly in between those two, a 6.0 powerstroke, that was definitely excessive for my use.

I doubt that Toyota would release the 3.5 if the numbers don't at least match the current V6, at least on paper. Until we either see the power and torque curves, and/or somebody unbiased drives it we wont know.

Though I like the way the 2016 OR looks,and some of the new features are enticing (it drives itself! all you have to do is steer!) I still will keep my 2014. Always safer to buy at the end of a model cycle instead of the beginning.

I very much disliked my 4.0... Between the poor mileage, poor power (IMHO) and on/off knock (swore it was a rod for a while), I realized the engine was not one of Toyota's best efforts.. A Tacoma with a 4.6 v8 would have my attention.

 

[bkg]

Has toyota ever not had a major problem with 1st year models?

fixed your question.

Answer since 1989 has been "no."

 

[racerjb]

What size of wheels are on the TRD off road

 

[DaveInDenver]

fixed your question.

Answer since 1989 has been "no."

Well, let's not forget the 3.0L 3VZ-FE came out in 1989 and that was pretty famous for its headgasket issues for a long time and was a major recall. I think the only truly trouble-free new generation might have been the 1984 2nd gen 4x4 trucks. The first generation trucks had issues with the transmission input bearing burning out, which required re-engineered transmissions in the G-series and W-series. The L43 was inadequate for the U.S. highway speeds and the way Americans tend to lug their engines at lower RPMs.

 

[bkg]

Well, let's not forget the 3.0L 3VZ-FE came out in 1989 and that was pretty famous for its headgasket issues for a long time and was a major recall. I think the only truly trouble-free new generation might have been the 1984 2nd gen 4x4 trucks. The first generation trucks had issues with the transmission input bearing burning out, which required re-engineered transmissions in the G-series and W-series. The L43 was inadequate for the U.S. highway speeds and the way Americans tend to lug their engines at lower RPMs.

Double-check the rewrite of his question.

3.0 came out in 1988, actually, but otherwise agree with you 100%. And the early Tacoma rear axle failures, frame rust and motor mount weld failures... I'd give this one a couple of years.

That's one of the reasons I'm starting to long for my life in the 1990's... Filled mostly with Gen1 4Runners/Gen2 pickups. I need to get back to that - simplicity and strength.

 

[calicamper]

Well, let's not forget the 3.0L 3VZ-FE came out in 1989 and that was pretty famous for its headgasket issues for a long time and was a major recall. I think the only truly trouble-free new generation might have been the 1984 2nd gen 4x4 trucks. The first generation trucks had issues with the transmission input bearing burning out, which required re-engineered transmissions in the G-series and W-series. The L43 was inadequate for the U.S. highway speeds and the way Americans tend to lug their engines at lower RPMs.

LOL um yea I had that one!! My first truck purchase with my first big boy job out of school. Toyota rebuilt it from a bare block twice!!! $8000 job both times! Not from my pocket though! Finally got a tech to tell me what the story was. Off the record he basically said there wasn't enough meat on the block surfaces and the heads were too fragile. Each time they had to tear it down they had to get new heads.

Pretty sure that first 3L v6 was Toyotas first V6 too.

 

[Littlehouse]

Well that sucks... Oh well "It's under warranty"

Any word on charges in T-case? Better crawl ratios, or even better, an auto 4wd setting?

 

[DaveInDenver]

Double-check the rewrite of his question.

3.0 came out in 1988, actually, but otherwise agree with you 100%. And the early Tacoma rear axle failures, frame rust and motor mount weld failures... I'd give this one a couple of years.

That's one of the reasons I'm starting to long for my life in the 1990's... Filled mostly with Gen1 4Runners/Gen2 pickups. I need to get back to that - simplicity and strength.

See it now, that always gets me when a quote is 'fixed'.

We sort of assign this mythical ability for Toyota to build bulletproof trucks but they've had some serious flaws over the years. My truck also got recalled for that relay rod problem. I do think the Toyota of those days tended to have fewer serious issues and were better about making them right. I mean, they fixed my steering and the truck was 19 years old at the time. Shrug.

 

[Clutch]

How would my Flippac look on one of these.....

With the new squarer body panels, should look decent. Wonder if it will fit the the new aero tailgate?

 

[bkg]

See it now, that always gets me when a quote is 'fixed'.

We sort of assign this mythical ability for Toyota to build bulletproof trucks but they've had some serious flaws over the years. My truck also got recalled for that relay rod problem. I do think the Toyota of those days tended to have fewer serious issues and were better about making them right. I mean, they fixed my steering and the truck was 19 years old at the time. Shrug.

Agreed. There are a group of Toyota owners who can't face facts - any negative comment and they go off the deep end. Toyota has had a bunch of major problems... how many companies have had to replace frames? :laughing:

I'm still a Toyota fan - it's all we own - but I'm growing disappointed.

 

[Clutch]

That's the one I'm looking to get. Double cab, SR (or SR-5), V6, auto, long-bed.

I like the SR B-Max grade package. Rear seat delete on the access cabs, saves about $1400, hey that buys a locker and couple burritos! can't get it with the V6 currently. Highly doubt that will change though.

 

[DaveInDenver]

I like the way the back jump seats work in the current Access Cab. I removed them from my XtraCab and built a flat platform that had a dog mattress on top for our furr kid but the lower seats flip down and make a pretty solid platform for a mattress now. Plus it's easier to flip back up into jump seats if you need to carry a nephew or two back there and not as much of PITA to get at the tool bins.

 

[Clutch]

Agreed. There are a group of Toyota owners who can't face facts - any negative comment and they go off the deep end. Toyota has had a bunch of major problems... how many companies have had to replace frames? :laughing:

I'm still a Toyota fan - it's all we own - but I'm growing disappointed.

Yeah...nothing is perfect. Yotas have treated me the best over everything else though. I still awake in a cold sweat thinking about the late model VW we had. *shudder*

I do like the looks of the new F150's...but Ford's warranty department blows...might hook me with the Global Ranger, but it isn't coming here, so Toyota it is.

 

[Clutch]

I like the way the back jump seats work in the current Access Cab. I removed them from my XtraCab and built a flat platform that had a dog mattress on top for our furr kid but the lower seats flip down and make a pretty solid platform for a mattress now. Plus it's easier to flip back up into jump seats if you need to carry a nephew or two back there and not as much of PITA to get at the tool bins.

I don't know why Toyota got away from those, those were a great design.