2015/2016 New 3rd gen Tacoma Debut in Detriot

[Nullifier]

ll it looks like a refresh of the current truck I guess if your crushing the competiion though why go to a total redesign if you are winning right. The interior looks much improved overall. Good on Toyota for not straying from the current design.

 

[Dougnuts]

I'm excited about the new dual injection 3.5L. For those wondering, the engine will behave the same, and as seamlessly, as the Skyactive engines in Mazda's products. It's called a modified Atkinson cycle engine and is essentially displacement on demand. When under light load, the intake cam timing is adjusted to hold the intake valve open through some of the compression stroke. This means it's compressing less air and therefore can use less fuel. But, you still get the advantage of a full power stroke, which will give a little more power than if you were cutting cylinders out completely a'la Honda and GM. With that said, the engine will run in normal Otto cycle most of the time, only when under light load will it operate in "short stroke" form.

The direct injection will help deal with what is likely to be increased cylinder pressures while the port injection still has some advantages during warm up and to help keep the backs of the intake valves clean.

I hope this engine finds its way into the 4Runner ASAP.

 

[DVexile]

Any chance Toyota is facing a pretty serious issue with their fleet Mileage numbers? Nissan, Dodge and Chevy are playing with Diesel to help with their fleet fuel economy numbers but Toyota will fight to the end to avoid diesel given they pumped so much damn money into the hybrid concept here in the States.

The lead engineer discussed this in the Q&A. From Toyota's perspective they weren't seeing a Diesel as a good solution for the Tacoma. You gain the mileage of course but the emissions standards are very strict and only getting stricter which means you have to then tack on about $3K in stuff to the Diesel to deal with meeting the environmental regs in the US. So they do have Diesel tech, they sell it all over the world, but in the US they don't feel it makes any sense to do so. They see the Diesel emissions regs worse in just a few years and then planning to be even worse after that. So if they brought a Diesel to the US with the 2016 they figure it would only have a market life of a few years before they would have to throw the whole thing out and start over.

So, R&D a US compliant Diesel that will only have a few years on the market, raise the sticker by at least $3K for the emissions crap for the Diesel and then have customers pay $1/gal more at the pump for the Diesel fuel. They felt not enough people would buy something with such a poor ROI. I happen to agree with them. People don't seem to understand Diesel in Europe and US is a completely different ball game. It rarely makes sense to do in the US.

 

[calicamper]

I'm excited about the new dual injection 3.5L. For those wondering, the engine will behave the same, and as seamlessly, as the Skyactive engines in Mazda's products. It's called a modified Atkinson cycle engine and is essentially displacement on demand. When under light load, the intake cam timing is adjusted to hold the intake valve open through some of the compression stroke. This means it's compressing less air and therefore can use less fuel. But, you still get the advantage of a full power stroke, which will give a little more power than if you were cutting cylinders out completely a'la Honda and GM. With that said, the engine will run in normal Otto cycle most of the time, only when under light load will it operate in "short stroke" form.

The direct injection will help deal with what is likely to be increased cylinder pressures while the port injection still has some advantages during warm up and to help keep the backs of the intake valves clean.

I hope this engine finds its way into the 4Runner ASAP.

Thanks for sharing interesting info.

 

[Littlehouse]

The lead engineer discussed this in the Q&A. From Toyota's perspective they weren't seeing a Diesel as a good solution for the Tacoma. You gain the mileage of course but the emissions standards are very strict and only getting stricter which means you have to then tack on about $3K in stuff to the Diesel to deal with meeting the environmental regs in the US. So they do have Diesel tech, they sell it all over the world, but in the US they don't feel it makes any sense to do so. They see the Diesel emissions regs worse in just a few years and then planning to be even worse after that. So if they brought a Diesel to the US with the 2016 they figure it would only have a market life of a few years before they would have to throw the whole thing out and start over.

So, R&D a US compliant Diesel that will only have a few years on the market, raise the sticker by at least $3K for the emissions crap for the Diesel and then have customers pay $1/gal more at the pump for the Diesel fuel. They felt not enough people would buy something with such a poor ROI. I happen to agree with them. People don't seem to understand Diesel in Europe and US is a completely different ball game. It rarely makes sense to do in the US.

The more I research I do, the scarier diesels sound. So I pay 15% more for the engine, 25% more for the fuel, and I get a couple MPG, higher maint costs, and tons more issues on the new engines. No thanks. Seriously, people need to look into this stuff on other forums..It's scary paying $60k for a truck and having to clear codes constantly or worrying about going to gas stations with high activity so small problems don't litterally total your truck. Unless you are towing constantly, they make zero sense TO ME...

 

[bkg]

The more I research I do, the scarier diesels sound. So I pay 15% more for the engine, 25% more for the fuel, and I get a couple MPG, higher maint costs, and tons more issues on the new engines. No thanks. Seriously, people need to look into this stuff on other forums..It's scary paying $60k for a truck and having to clear codes constantly or worrying about going to gas stations with high activity so small problems don't litterally total your truck. Unless you are towing constantly, they make zero sense TO ME...

Not to get political, but that's your government at work. EPA has destroyed the idea of a simple, efficient diesel... unfortunately.

 

[bkg]

Still not digging the exterior much, love the interior (Clutch is right, it is reminiscent of the 79 Hilux)....on the fence regarding the new 3.5L because I know nothing about them. Really like the Tan paint option but still pissed they didn't offer the manual tcase in, at least, the TRD Off-Road package. Overall, I like it better than the Colorado but still have to say the 4Runner is more for me. The new Taco is sure the HELL better looking than the Titan that was also shown today.

Might be a repost but nice all around summary of what we know of the new Taco thus far.

Watch the box at :30-33.... frame is a flexy flier... Toyota apparently hasn't learned much in that area.

 

[brianjwilson]

The one positive I see is the auto being a six speed. Hopefully less "slushy" than the current auto. I wanted to see a fully boxed frame, four wheel discs, better trans, more powerful engine etc. So far I'm not seeing much reason to warrant buying a 2016 over a 2015 where the issues are at least known. Otherwise the first impressions just aren't that exciting to me. Maybe if I'm surprised and see big payload increases but I doubt it. Visually I prefer the 2015 dash layout, and obviously the exterior.

 

[p nut]

Watch the box at :30-33.... frame is a flexy flier... Toyota apparently hasn't learned much in that area.

...I wanted to see a fully boxed frame...

In my opinion, the frame is fine as-is. Flexy enough to make the ride much more compliant and comfortable. It's more than adequate to handle the capacities stated under factory specs. Riding in a fully-boxed framed truck, then getting in a Tundra, the ride is so much smoother. If it really bothers you, weld on a frame reinforcement.

 

[toylandcruiser]

Watch the box at :30-33.... frame is a flexy flier... Toyota apparently hasn't learned much in that area.

Nothing wrong with flexy frame.


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[bkg]

In my opinion, the frame is fine as-is. Flexy enough to make the ride much more compliant and comfortable. It's more than adequate to handle the capacities stated under factory specs. Riding in a fully-boxed framed truck, then getting in a Tundra, the ride is so much smoother. If it really bothers you, weld on a frame reinforcement.

Relying on poor frame to make up for poor suspension design is not ideal. And relying on aftermarket to fix oem is also less than ideal.

I predict more dented cabs.... Toyota needs to step up.

 

[calicamper]

Still not digging the exterior much, love the interior (Clutch is right, it is reminiscent of the 79 Hilux)....on the fence regarding the new 3.5L because I know nothing about them. Really like the Tan paint option but still pissed they didn't offer the manual tcase in, at least, the TRD Off-Road package. Overall, I like it better than the Colorado but still have to say the 4Runner is more for me. The new Taco is sure the HELL better looking than the Titan that was also shown today.

Might be a repost but nice all around summary of what we know of the new Taco thus far.

If the disels are a flop I'll just wait for a lightly used with money dumped into nice upgrades done by some kid used rig. Then probably dump the stock bed and get a flat bed fwc put on it.;-)

 

[aubie9903]

http://www.guideautoweb.com/en/galleries/27904/2016_toyota_tacoma_coming_soon/?im=6

This pic isn't very encouraging for four wheel disc's.

 

[toylandcruiser]

Relying on poor frame to make up for poor suspension design is not ideal. And relying on aftermarket to fix oem is also less than ideal.

I predict more dented cabs.... Toyota needs to step up.

C channel is not poor frame design, get off that already.


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[2025 deleted member]

Big rigs have c-channel for a reason. Better to bend than break. I remember the boxed frontiers had some late model trucks breaking in half at the cab with heavy campers in the bed.