2200 watts of solar on the roof?

MTVR

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We're really gonna try to prevent any leaks. Shachagra is 10 years old, 10 feet longer than our box design, rigidly mounted to the truck's frame, built out of much less substantial materials, is of a much more complex shape, and is apparently in perfect shape with no leakage.

We're planning to cut the foam panels to fit the stud bays as precisely as possible, and spray any remaining gaps with foam from an aerosol can.
 

dreadlocks

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the genset is just backup for when solar dont cut it, I think last year I had a total of 4h on my genset.. but I didnt use my AirCon once... when I use it, it goes up considerably because solar powered air conditioning is superbly ambitious.. I'm thinking of making mine a tri-fuel because I carry a big LP tank for heating that is supreme overkill for just cooking in the summer when I'd want AC.. so I can just consolidate fuel sources and run both heating and aircon off LP.. you could find a small diesel genset and just build it onboard really and it could run months (mebe a bit hyperbolic, mebe not) off that big tank.

worshiping the sun to fight the sun with the sun, wait.. ive heard this somewhere..
 
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IdaSHO

IDACAMPER
2200 watt eh?

Anyone done a weight calc for that size array?
How does it compare to a small gen-set? ;)

Wanting to run entirely off solar is one thing, and makes sense.
Building to run entirely off solar as well as power a large AC unit that you might only use few days a year is something else.

For the most part, my own goals have always been simple. Build an efficient camper than needs as little as possible to operate and maintain.
Reducing loads will create a lighter, cheaper, more efficient camper, and cheaper to maintain, every day of the year.
So figure out your daily average proposed electrical needs, and work the numbers.
Its a bit silly to use the figures from one of those few days you use AC to base your calcs on.

If you happen to "need" additional power for something like an AC.... a gen set is a great option, and for most is the most logical.

Down side to a gen-set? You don't have the bragging rights that you can run AC off of your giant array. :LOL:
 

MTVR

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...weight...weight...weight...

Our MTVR has a 30,000-pound payload capacity. Not a 30,000-pound GVWR, but a 30,000-pound payload capacity. As in it can carry 15 tons of stuff. Weight is not going to be a challenge for us...
 

IdaSHO

IDACAMPER
And your still missing the point. ;)


It isn't just the weight of the box you should be concerned about for travel.
Its the entire package. Large size and heavy weight is not an advantage.
I do hope you understand that.
 

MTVR

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...you could find a small diesel genset and just build it onboard really and it could run months (mebe a bit hyperbolic, mebe not) off that big tank.

We've looked at the Cummins-Onan 3KW RV generator, as well as the little Honda 2200i, and the numbers only work if you're not doing full-time self-supported RV living. Around 3-5 years in, the fuel costs for the generator exceed the additional expense of a large solar system.
 

IdaSHO

IDACAMPER
If your calcs tell you that you need that much solar when a Honda 2200i geni can do it....

you need a better calculator....
 

MTVR

Well-known member
And your still missing the point. ;)


It isn't just the weight of the box you should be concerned about for travel.
Its the entire package. Large size and heavy weight is not an advantage.
I do hope you understand that.

I appreciate what you're saying.

Likewise, you gotta understand that there is no need to pay extra to make our box light enough for our vehicle to carry- we're not building it for an F550.

The CTIS system doesn't even fully inflate the tires, unless we get over 14,200 pounds of payload, and we're gonna be way under that.
 
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IdaSHO

IDACAMPER
I appreciate what you're saying.

Likewise, you gotta understand that there is no need to pay extra to make our box light enough for our vehicle to carry- we're not building it for an F550...

I'm not talking about the box.

I'm talking about the massive expense of such a solar array and bank, that happens to be heavy, and how you can intelligently design a camper to minimize both cost and weight.

Again... run the calcs and do what you can to minimize electrical loads, all the while building a decent box.
The gained efficiency building something intelligently will pay dividends, with the potential of actually being cheaper to build in the first place.
 

MTVR

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We are trying to build it as financially and thermally efficient as we can, so that we can reduce those electrical needs...
 

nathane

Active member
I appreciate what you're saying.

Likewise, you gotta understand that there is no need to pay extra to make our box light enough for our vehicle to carry- we're not building it for an F550.

The CTIS system doesn't even fully inflate the tires, unless we get over 14,200 pounds of payload, and we're gonna be way under that.

dude wants to build the biggest bada$$ camper out there. I'm really looking forward to seeing it when it's done, it will be the monster truck of all campers :).

Because we are travelling places where bridges exist and road verges are not made of reinforced concrete we needed to be lighter. Plus, ever since I started driving properly I came to appreciate the practical benefits and sensations that come from applying Colin Chapman's saying - "for performance, add lightness". I think we will end up at 7,000kg fully loaded, fuelled and wet on our mog by concentrating on lightweight build techniques. However as the old saying goes you can only have two of light weight, durability and low price and I think that MTVR's priorities and use case are very different from mine. I reckon his build will be something like 4x the weight of our mog by the sounds of things!

FWIW I have 1.1kW of solar on my box that is roughly the same size as the one you are looking to build (4.2m x2.2m). That required us to cover pretty much the entire roof (you can see a picture on the build thread in the unimog section) with panels. We are using a full Victron system using an MPPT solar controller, Multiplus 3kw inverter charger to take shore power and genset inputs and mamage ac loads and an Orion Buck Boost dc/dc controller unit to manage the interface between the house (12V) and starter (24V) batteries based on our 100A alternator. 450AH of LiFePO batteries. I thoroughly recommend the Victron stuff based on my (limited) experience of design and build to date. I will have to see how durable it is in the field - it should be fine, but only time will tell. These folks https://www.energy-solutions.co.uk/ did a great job of helping me understand system features and design and were an absolute joy to work with.
 

dreadlocks

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We've looked at the Cummins-Onan 3KW RV generator, as well as the little Honda 2200i, and the numbers only work if you're not doing full-time self-supported RV living. Around 3-5 years in, the fuel costs for the generator exceed the additional expense of a large solar system.

You have a disconnect here, I'm not talking about replacing your Solar Panels w/a Onan Onboard genset.. You keep your solar panels on the roof and instead of using your drive engine as a backup charge source you use your genset, you can still use your drive engine when driving, but when your parked thats just terrible for it.. since we're talking backup power source, even in 3-5 years full time your talking less fuel use than you'd of got idling a big military engine for the same purpose..

Solar is not a panacea, even with massively oversized solar there are times of the year where your only getting a small fraction of its output, an inch of snow on the panels? 0W out of your 2kw solar.. parked in a forest with overcast? 200W would be 10% output which is what you get in diffuse/shaded output.. then you got winter where the sun is low in the sky, the angle of attack is almost always coming through trees, or hard to break into a valley.. you might be lucky to see 10-20% output of that big massive solar setup.

A generator for backup when the sun gods have forsaken you is better than a military drive engine as far as efficiency is concerned, and your going to be relying on it here and there alot more than you think.. but with a fast charging bank, your talking like 2.5-3h of runtime to get you from empty to full, thats nothing really in grand scheme of things.. if your 6-7h of genset a week in bad solar, and your at like 40% bad solar days a year thats a mere 156h of runtime a year to fill the gaps.. after 5-6 years your backup power system will be still under 1000 hours.

Then this double wammy's your aircon issue, if you only use it on rare occasion.. just use the damn generator on occasion and the deal is done..

You have to totally ignore all the solar calculators you find online, those are for fixed installs.. you know, where you chop down some trees and make a clearing that has ideal sun exposure all year long.. your mounting em all to your roof and living a nomadic lifestyle, your never going to be able to predict the weather and location and how much sun you get or anything.. I think its awesome your planning for a mega 2kw solar build, but only because its so overbuilt that in tough solar conditions.. even at a 10% output in cloudy conditions, your getting more than most of us here do on a perfect day on the summer solstice.

Gotta plan for the worst and hope for the best, and its one of the strong advantages to LFP banks.. you can overbuild solar so much that those bad days you can survive, while still being able to utilize that over paneled capacity to capture short bursts of sunlight coming through the clouds/trees, or just simply burning it on frivolous energy usage when there's more sun than you need.
 
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