24-hour sand driving record in a Discovery 5

[EricTyrrell]

I think you're also being a little unrealistic in your take. As time goes on and these vehicles become more affordable, I believe you'll see more and more vehicles out on the trail. The fact that right now you're not finding many people bashing L405s against boulders isn't exactly surprising. Furthermore, I think LR owners go off road far more than your average Jeep owner (if you take it as a percentage of overall sales). That said, many people are finally starting to heavily mod LR3/4's, L322's and first-gen sports. These trucks probably don't fit into your definition of what an LR "should" be, but here we are showing people that a modern LR is extremely capable. Many people use them as intended, but don't ask people to lose complete respect for their hard-earned money and go destroying vehicles. Go give "Petersenrovers" or my own account a follow on Instagram, and you'll see exactly what I mean.

EDIT: Go ask any non-enthusiast person what they associate with Jeep Wranglers, and they'll tell you "Frat Bro" or "Sorority car". Heck, the phrase "lights before lockers" was coined because so many people don't use Wranglers as intended. I'd be willing to bet you everything in my bank account that far more Tacomas exist in 2wd trim with "pool service" plastered on the door than Tacomas that have left the pavement, let alone run the Rubicon. It's 2020...you need to come to grips with the reality of the world you live in.

I'm not talking about rock crawling or destroying vehicles, I said "as intended". I need to look around more? OK. What do I see driving around the mountains, camp sites, farms, industrial areas, OHV trailheads, snow parks, etc. New trucks, new Jeeps, misc. classics. What do I see looking in the larger world through forums, magazines, jounals, this site, etc. New trucks, new Jeeps, misc. classics. If it isn't a press release, no one cares.

 

[DieselRanger]

LR has always produced vehicles that can take you anywhere when the planets and stars are aligned. However, they now also manage to make the experience as uninspiring as possible. The majority of the kind of people that live and work the outdoors look at this, and its sister the luxury Defender, and see right through the marketing manicured masquerades. They'll continue buying trucks, Jeeps, UTVs, and (I'd wager) the new Bronco, and LR will best left wondering why no one buys their forgettable and problematic products.

LOL, it's funny - in one thread, he argues that Land Rovers are barely good enough for perfectly manicured press shoots, and here he argues that *it's just no fun anymore* because Land Rovers are too capable... ???

 

[Evomike]

this just in niche vehicles are still niche vehicles, you are always going to see more jeeps and Toyotas out and about it has always been that way and always will.

 

[EricTyrrell]

LOL, it's funny - in one thread, he argues that Land Rovers are barely good enough for perfectly manicured press shoots, and here he argues that *it's just no fun anymore* because Land Rovers are forgettable domesticated cars ... ???

Yeah I guess it's funny if you manufacture inconsistencies. However, I FTFY.

 

[EricTyrrell]

this just in niche vehicles are still niche vehicles, you are always going to see more jeeps and Toyotas out and about it has always been that way and always will.

That's to be expected. However, they seem to be gaining no ground even after decades of opportunity.