3rd Gen 4Runner, time to replace the lower ball joints...

troyboy162

Adventurer
Not sure what you mean here? Moog or 555 are definitely NOT OEM parts, maybe you mean OEM-replacement parts? Sorry just trying to clarify.....

555 is the casting mark reported on OEM, new Napa, and some new moog LBJ. Some say they have different internal quality, but obviously there is no proof and only seat of the pants feelings. What is known is they are being made by the same company. Again the OEM's are coming with a metal boot shield so its worth looking into for that alone if its not much more money.
 

rickashay

Explorer
555 is the casting mark reported on OEM, new Napa, and some new moog LBJ. Some say they have different internal quality, but obviously there is no proof and only seat of the pants feelings. What is known is they are being made by the same company. Again the OEM's are coming with a metal boot shield so its worth looking into for that alone if its not much more money.

Hmmm, interesting. I went back to the shop I bought my 555 units at, after I received my OEM units and compared them side by side. I did notice minor difference in the castings. I wish I would have taken a photo of them side by side....
 

nobb

New member
IMO, there is no difference in "internal castings" between the various units (unless someone can prove otherwise by taking open the boot on a new unit and take pictures). Sankei 555 is the manufacturer and various companies distribute this brand, such as Raybestos, TRW, Moog, Napa Premium etc etc. I have examined the lower ball joints sold under the TRW and Raybestos brand and I will attest to the fact that they are Sankei 555. However, even if these are made in Japan, they suck. I have also examined a set of OEM Toyota ball joints so I can comment on why the Sankei 555 ones are terrible. I made a post about it here:

http://www.toyota-4runner.org/3rd-g...tos-poor-quality-design-flaw-my-findings.html

In summary:

1. Metal on metal, unpolished ball stud. As mentioned previously by rickashay, the Sankei 555 feels like they bind when they move. The unpolished stud, I believe, is to allow for grease to better adhere to the surface. However, if you look at the pictures I posted in the above link, the ball surface scratches EASILY just by moving the ball by hand. This can't be good. If I am creating these scratches by human strength, imagine what is happening to the ball as your 2 ton vehicle is hitting bumps. The OEM joints do not have this problem. In comparison, the stud on the OEM joint moves smoothly as it had a low friction polished stud. Just by moving the stud on the Sankei 555, you will feel that it is an unnatural feeling and I would not be confident at all with installing such joints on my truck.

2. Crappy rubber boot. In comparison, the OEM joints have a noticeably thicker and stronger NOK Japanese branded boot.

3. No rust protection finish. Not really a big deal, but the OEM joints have a coat of black paint to protect from rust. The Sankei 555 does not have this and will rust quickly.

I wish there was a way to make the OEM sealed joints grease able, as lubrication is always the key to longevity. The OEM joint, as well as aftermarket joints, have the dust boot clamped only on the bottom. The top is free-hanging, and there is a possibility of moisture/dirt to get in. The ability to periodically grease the joint would be beneficial in being able to flush out old grease and increase longevity. However, even if the OEM joints are sealed and non-greasable, they are still a much better choice than any aftermarket unit because of the internal quality.
 

TheeMikeB

New member
Sankei 555 are not OEM parts for sure. I actually was in the process of researching parts for my front end as I just replaced all LBJ, UBJ, inner/outer Tierods. I kept hearing 555 was OEM. I actually reached out to Sankei 555 corporate and here was their response:

1. Sankei is not an OEM supplier but has been supplying our suspension and steering parts to North American Aftermarket through our customers for more than 45years.

2.Our products are designed and manufactured with our own engineering and technical standards, which are “equal” or “exceeding” to OEM quality. In fact, we have a high reputation as a qualityproduct manufacturer and supplier.

3. Sankei does not have different grades of product, though in these days, some American parts manufacturers and distributors have so called the “Premium” and the “Economy” which is lower grade of product coming from low cost countries. Our Sankei products are supplied for the aftermarket as the “Premium” through our customers.



I reached out again for futher clarification but never heard back. I just went with OEM from parts.camelbacktoyota.com they have free shipping on orders over $150. I was going to do toyotapartsales but their shipping charges make me gag.
 

the kid

Juke Box Hero
yes you can have a failure with a OE LBJ, but i have yet to see one with a recent(meaning replaced in the last 5 years) on a OE part, but i have seen several "other" manufactures have failures with in a year or two....

if your gonna do this, do it right and buy Toyota OE parts, they are what origonally came on the vehicle and what it was intended to be uses....
its not a lifetime part, it will wear out, it needs to be replaced, and people continually seam to think that parts on their car other than tires, brakes, oil and gas are lifetime parts and should never have to be replaced. most of these failures gave signs before they failed, lose and sloppy steering, clunking noises and poping sounds ect... people just ignor them and or buy a cheeper part because it has a lifetime warranty... reminds me of Tommy boys warranty -Because they know all they sold ya was a guaranteed piece of poop. That's all it is, isn't it? take a dump in a box and mark it guaranteed...
 

4RunAmok

Explorer
My latest update would be.... Parts purchased in March... still not installed! haha! Time and money. I have neither! :D

And it's a can of worms. A ton of other front end suspension work needs done, and I'd rather do it all at once than in pieces.
 

Simons

Adventurer
If your lowers have any play in them replace them now! Sliding down the road with a wheel folded under your rocker is no fun!! Don't wait, make time
 

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