3rd Generation 4Runners

Hondarider

Adventurer
Short of a modified 80 Series Landcruiser, I think the 3rd Generation 4Runner is about the best looking overland SUV that I know of. I've been thinking about selling my modified JK and picking up a pre-2002 model for a mild build as a weekend getaway vehicle for the family. Wife and kids hate riding in the JK and I'd really like to make some cross-country trips to show them a bit of the US outside of New England. Looking for some insight into the 4Runner as a long distance touring vehicle and off-road tool. My interest in rock-crawling has wained...I mostly just want to explore the back country, camp, and keep the family comfortable.
 

G_fresh

Adventurer
As a recent owner of both the 3rd gen (1 year ago) and 80 series (now), I'll boil it down to the following:

If you are staying in the US, a 4Runner is fine. (Land Cruiser has better parts/know-how in the rest of the world.)

If you need more space, the Land Cruiser's extra several inches in each direction is quite noticeable for interior volume. (Noticeable when on technical, tight trails as well!)

4Runner gas milage is about 14-17mpg vs. 10-13mpg real world.

If you desire more subtle differences, go to my Copper Canyon trip report in the Completed Adventures section of the forum. If you cannot find it, post here or send a PM and I'll link to it...

The only reason I went to the 80-series is the larger size and around the world considerations. You'll like either I'm sure!

(I would say try to get the factory rear diff lock on the 4Runner. It does get you through some difficult terrain with less stress/strain on the drivetrain/tires.)
 

Martinjmpr

Wiffleball Batter
Much as I like my 3rd gen (and I do) I think they're way overpriced in the used market. There's no rational reason that a 1999 4runner with 125k on it sells for $8k and an equivalent Montero or Trooper sells for less than half that.

OTOH, the nice thing about them is that even at 10 years on (the newest 3rd gen is approaching 10 years and the oldest is approaching 17) there are no real "known failure points." The 3.4 engine is rock solid, kind of the 22r for the 21st century (i.e. not a powerhouse but will last forever.) The auto trannies are subject to failure but usually that failure occurs at the radiator when radiator coolant mixes with tranny fluid from the factory tranny cooler. Easy to prevent for <$100 with an external cooler. The IFS is relatively easy to lift (compared to a T-bar equipped vehicle) and the aftermarket support is decent, although not anywhere near what you have with the Jeep!

If you're set on a Toyota, that's fine but do yourself a favor and at least give a look at the competitors. I, personally, don't like paying more for things than I have to and the "Toyota Tax" is a little high for me.

It's crazy when you think that in some cases you can get a 2nd gen Xterra (2005 - up) for just a little more than people are asking for a 3rd gen 4runner (I've seen 2nd gen X's offered for $14k and 3rd gen 4runners offered for as much as $15 or $16k if they have low miles. Crazy!)

EDITED TO ADD: As nice as they are, 3rd gens do have a few negatives and there are other "good to know" things about 3rd gens.

* Fuel gauges are notoriosly inaccurate. Some will show you with 1/4 tank when you're bone dry, others (like mine) show you below E when there's still 1/4 tank left.

* The factory 18.5 gallon tank is, IMO, marginal in terms of size because the MPG (especially with the automatic) isn't that great. If you keep a light foot on the throttle, you can squeeze 300 miles out but 220-240 is more reasonable (by contrast, my '90 Montero had a 24 gallon tank that gave it a 400 mile range, which I consider to be much more appropriate for an off-road vehicle.)

* The Limited models from 99 - up have a fancy digital HVAC control. When it works, it's great. When it doesn't, it's very expensive to replace (Toyota wants >$1k for the piece.) I think some people have tried refitting manual HVAC controls but I don't know if that works. Check Yotatech or t4r.org.

* The 3rd gen underwent a major facelift for the 1999 model year. These trucks are easily identifiable by the "Fat lip" energy absorbing bumper. They are generally considered more desirable which is why the 96-98 models can often be found cheaper. Along with the facelift came some interior mods like better cup holders, multiple power points in the dash, auto up/down on both front windows, and headlights that turn off automatically if you leave them on and then remove the key and open the door.
 
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CA-RJ

Expo Approved™
My 3rd gen 4Runner has been the most reliable and comfortable 4x4 I have ever owned. If you're after a 5 speed, they were offered 96-00. 99's were the tallest stock. With 32's, I get 18 mpg easily. Drive it 55 and it gets 20-23.
 

blakeape

Adventurer
I have 2 3rd gens that will someday become one. My Mom bought a 1997 3.4, SR5, 5spd brand new, always parked it inside, looks like its in incredible shape, but it lived its life in New England and the frame is rusted so bad the driver's side rear control arm ripped off the frame at 206K miles. Toyota will do nothing even though Tacoma's are almost the same and have a frame recall. Her's is the tan one. I recently bought a 1997 3.4, auto, roll over with 174K miles, Old Man Emu lift, with a bunch of other recent work done for $1500 that I am daily driving. One day I'll swap the body from the Tan one onto the rolled Gray one's frame. I really like these trucks, but look real hard at the frame if you are buying one on the east coast. I have always driven manual transmission vehicles but love the automatic in the rolled 4runner. I swapped a 4.56 rear third in (still need to do the front) and with 265/75R16 tires I am very happy. The truck had 3.91 gears from the factory, always searched between 3rd and 4th gear, didn't do well on fuel and seemed a little doggy power wise. The auto's have a really tall overdrive, .74 vs .85 in the manuals and really respond well to some help gearing wise.
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kletzenklueffer

Adventurer
As above, My 97 SR5 gets 18.5-19.7 mpg (19.7 if I try, 18.5 driving normally, heavy foot, 80+ on the hwy) Mine has been great. I've put 130K on it in the last 4 years. I've spent some money on mine in repairs, but I believe some of it is due to previous owner more than the truck. I put a new radiator in it due to a pin hole leak, two flex plates on the tranny (which otherwise has been great). The second flex plate was because I tried to save a few bucks with the first one going non-OEM. I put a JDM engine in it last year as the original, at 258K had a head gasket failure. The HG cold have been my fault- I simply wasn't maintaining it. For $2K I got the JDM installed. It's <50,000 miles and runs better than the original engine ever did. I'll probably keep this truck til it needs to go to the scrap yard. 4x4 works great and has been reliable. Even with the bad headgasket, the truck got me where I needed to go til I could get it to a shop.
 

Utah KJ

Free State of Florida
Much as I like my 3rd gen (and I do) I think they're way overpriced in the used market. There's no rational reason that a 1999 4runner with 125k on it sells for $8k and an equivalent Montero or Trooper sells for less than half that.

There's a very rational reason: banks will loan money on a Toyota. Most people are cash poor these days so they can only buy what banks will loan them. As far as loan value, an Isuzu (unless ur talking commercial) has none.
 

FurthurOnTheFly

Glamping Society
I really love my 3rd Gen, although I would love it a bit more if it got a little better gas mileage, but part of that is my fault with the lift and slightly bigger tires. I average 16.5 according to my Fuelly log. But its my daily driver so lots of stop and go.

I do agree that they are one of the best looking SUV's out there...like a mini 80 series, especially with some light mods. Everytime I think about getting rid of it I spy it sitting across the parking lot and fall in love with it all over again. Or I have to haul something crazy, like my 7+ foot long xtracycle and I realize there is no way in hell I'd ever be able to do that in a Prius. ;)

As for off roading it performs great. Mine has the rear locker, but I've only used it a couple times and that was for actual rock-crawling.
 

Hondarider

Adventurer
I've been alternating between Jeeps and Toyotas my entire adult life...Jeeps speak to the 10 year old kid in me...Toyotas appeal to my more responsible side...daily driver is Tundra, but it's awful big off road...I love my JK, but it's just not ideal for cross-country travel with the family...even with my M416 in tow...kids hate the wind, the noise, the ride, etc. I considered just towing it behind the Tundra and then off-loading it in Ouray or some such place, but it's just such a hassle. Toyotas may draw a premium, but I've had such good luck over the years with Tacomas, an FJ Cruiser, multiple Tundras, a RAV4 for the wife and I've never actually had a breakdown...I'm not sure that I want to try another brand.

A specific question: How's the highway performance with the V6 and 32 or 33s?
 

Gerdo

Observer
I really enjoy my 3rd gen 4runner. I have owned since mile one. Sure the 80 is bigger inside, but it is bigger outside too. It can be tight on trails. I do ExPo trips in my 4runner and rock crawling and it does well with both. I have a 45qt Engel fridge in it and still sleep two. It is a little tight but I sleep with my legs around the fridge.

Actually I would love to own an 80 but the gas mileage and lack of power turns me away.
If I had to replace my 4runner I would seriously look at a 100.

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phsycle

Adventurer
I've had a few 4Runners and they were great. Enjoyed them all. Then I got married and had kids. For outings with 4+ people, it was a bit tight/uncomfortable for us (and we're not big people). The 02 4Runner was sold and was thinking of getting a 4th gen 4Runner. While searching, I happened on a 100-series Landcruiser. 1 ride with the family and we knew this was it. Many happy, comfortable miles since. I highly recommend test driving one. You can find a 98-01 for $9-$15k.

But you can't go wrong with a 4Runeer, either. They're great rigs.
 

jmt2404

New member
My 4runner has been great. I bought it almost 4 years back and almost immediately drove it from NC to WA to move my family and it did great. I was pulling a 6x12 trailer with all our stuff on it as well and was getting anywhere from 250 to 300 miles to the tank. Thats back when it was stock though now with a lift, 285 duratracs, and the roof rack my gas mileage has went down alot. I get anywhere from 160 to 220 to the tank now. So its around 15 to 19 mpgs. Other than that I am pretty happy with it. Its a great platform to start with and build on though. They are very capable stock though or with minimal modifications it can be almost unstopable.

If your really looking into buying one get a 99-02 runner. They are usually the nicer 3rd gens. Check out t4r.org for alot more info. Gerdo and I are over there and most of the guys are more than willing to help out if you email them. Good luck!
 

bigwapitijohnny

Adventurer
I had a 3rd generation 4runner that I absolutely loved. However, it was a bit under powered for what I wanted to do with it. Currently, I have an Outlander Sherpa II trailer and towing the trailer was at times, a struggle. Last year, I went down to Arkansas with the Central Overland group and it became painfully obvious of the power issue...

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Reliability was exceptional ~ the vehicle was in our family for over 14 years without any major issues at all.

Gas mileage was 13-15 mpg without towing and significantly lower when towing...

I have nothing but fond memories about this rig, it was the platform that introduced me and my family to overlanding...

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Hope this helps.

Regards,

BWJ
 

OldSven

Explorer
We have had our 4Runner for a few years now after trading up from the Tacoma for the added space. It has been a great rig. I have dialed mine down a bit for more road use (smaller AT tires, no tool drawer, etc.) due to having a kid and it becoming the second kid hauler. I have been considering a 100 series, 80 series, or even a Sequoia for the added room but being up here in the NW the trails are tight and sometimes even the runner has to suck in the gutt to fit through some areas. In my opinion it all comes down to how much room you need and what trails, trips you are doing with the rig. Both are awsome vehicles with lots of positive feedback. I will say though without a trailer an 80 series will provide you more storage for camping.

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