80 vs 100?
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bossman429
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Are you talking from a comfort stand point only? Reason I ask is my friend has a 4th gen 4runner and I think it would suit our comfort needs just fine. Space wise we would be ok, no kids (yet) and a 50lb dog who does great in the cargo space lol
How much more space do you actually gain from the 100? Is it just height? They are roughly the same length no?
I went from a 4th gen 4runner to a hundy.
The space difference is substantial. It's larger in width and height, with much more overall volume. The 4runners high floor combined with a low roof actually doesn't make for that much space which is deceiving given how big it looks on the outside.
Another big thing for me is the front seats are higher off the floor in the hundy than the low slung 4runner seats which makes the car more comfortable to drive for long trips.
Don't get me wrong though, I loved my '05 4R Limited 4x4. The Hundy is just that much better, but costlier to purchase and run.
The space difference is substantial. It's larger in width and height, with much more overall volume. The 4runners high floor combined with a low roof actually doesn't make for that much space which is deceiving given how big it looks on the outside.
Another big thing for me is the front seats are higher off the floor in the hundy than the low slung 4runner seats which makes the car more comfortable to drive for long trips.
Don't get me wrong though, I loved my '05 4R Limited 4x4. The Hundy is just that much better, but costlier to purchase and run.
bossman429
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That's good feedback and appreciated. I hear you on the ceiling height and lower seats. It's something to consider for sure. I honestly don't think the mileage is going to be significantly different between the two. Am I wrong? I figure 15-17 mpg for either
Torquey
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I have a '97 80 & recently acquired a '04 100. I love both and made sure to wait a couple months now to post so that I wasn't posting during my honeymoon stage with the 100. I would recommend the 100 for what you would would be doing.
The 100 is much more refined, better braking, significantly more drivable power, better fuel economy, the seats are more comfortable, the rear seats recline, rear air-conditioning and larger inside. 17 mpg on trips for me.
Now, the 80 is better at off-roading in the off-camber twisty stuff. This is because of the solid axles allowing more wheel travel. 12 mpg on trips for me.
The 4Runner is a great vehicle but is not an equal with the 100 in terms of off-roading and durability. They may share the same engine and transmission for certain years, however that similarity ends with those parts. There are also other items to keep in mind that are critical for longevity and durability (U joints, drive axles, hubs, rotors, calipers, cooling system and the frame). The 100 has more interior cargo space. The 4runner is easier to find for purchase and the initial acquisition is at a lower cost.
The truth is you would likely be happy with either one, my recommendation would be to get the Toyota Land Cruiser, but I'm biased.
The 100 is much more refined, better braking, significantly more drivable power, better fuel economy, the seats are more comfortable, the rear seats recline, rear air-conditioning and larger inside. 17 mpg on trips for me.
Now, the 80 is better at off-roading in the off-camber twisty stuff. This is because of the solid axles allowing more wheel travel. 12 mpg on trips for me.
The 4Runner is a great vehicle but is not an equal with the 100 in terms of off-roading and durability. They may share the same engine and transmission for certain years, however that similarity ends with those parts. There are also other items to keep in mind that are critical for longevity and durability (U joints, drive axles, hubs, rotors, calipers, cooling system and the frame). The 100 has more interior cargo space. The 4runner is easier to find for purchase and the initial acquisition is at a lower cost.
The truth is you would likely be happy with either one, my recommendation would be to get the Toyota Land Cruiser, but I'm biased.
chmura
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I have to disagree with the above poster about the 4runner not being equal with the 100 in terms of off-roading and not being as durable. IMO it is equally as durable also.
I have a 2009 trail edition which comes with a factory rear differential e-locker and atrac. It is the most capable vehicle that I have owned so far. Much better than my 2001 tacoma 4x4 trd that I sold.
I get 20mpg also with the 255 BFG KM MT skinnies. Some trails that I go on are narrow so having a big suv was out of the question for me. I wanted something more agile and versatile and the 4runner is a perfect mix.
Still love the Land Cruiser though! Can't go wrong with neither of them!
Here is a picture of my TE. Still building it up as an overland rig. Just got it 3 months ago.
I have a 2009 trail edition which comes with a factory rear differential e-locker and atrac. It is the most capable vehicle that I have owned so far. Much better than my 2001 tacoma 4x4 trd that I sold.
I get 20mpg also with the 255 BFG KM MT skinnies. Some trails that I go on are narrow so having a big suv was out of the question for me. I wanted something more agile and versatile and the 4runner is a perfect mix.
Still love the Land Cruiser though! Can't go wrong with neither of them!
Here is a picture of my TE. Still building it up as an overland rig. Just got it 3 months ago.
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helocat
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$20k budget. For a dedicated expedition truck: FZJ80
$ 5000 Clean high mile base truck to start with
$ 6000 Engine rebuild
$ 1000 Radiator, fan clutch, belts, hoses, wires, plugs etc.
$ 600 Front axle rebuild kit, new wheel bearings all around.
$ 4900 Front and rear bumper, winch, sliders and OME suspension
$ 1000 Tires
Total: $18,500 and you have close to a new truck with $ left over. Tranys are solid only thing to consider is the t-case/ viscus coupling. However with the ease to get to that part, I would run it until there was signs of needed attention.
$ for $ the 80 because of its entrance price and over all performance would be my pick. 80's have a great ride and are very comfortable to drive as long as the suspension is set up right. (not over sprung) Hundys are nice trucks for sure. The FZJ80 would be my pick over all.
I must say our Gen V Trail Edition 4Runner is hands down one of the most comfortable and capable trucks I have owned. But its about 2x the price range shared just for the truck.
$ 5000 Clean high mile base truck to start with
$ 6000 Engine rebuild
$ 1000 Radiator, fan clutch, belts, hoses, wires, plugs etc.
$ 600 Front axle rebuild kit, new wheel bearings all around.
$ 4900 Front and rear bumper, winch, sliders and OME suspension
$ 1000 Tires
Total: $18,500 and you have close to a new truck with $ left over. Tranys are solid only thing to consider is the t-case/ viscus coupling. However with the ease to get to that part, I would run it until there was signs of needed attention.
$ for $ the 80 because of its entrance price and over all performance would be my pick. 80's have a great ride and are very comfortable to drive as long as the suspension is set up right. (not over sprung) Hundys are nice trucks for sure. The FZJ80 would be my pick over all.
I must say our Gen V Trail Edition 4Runner is hands down one of the most comfortable and capable trucks I have owned. But its about 2x the price range shared just for the truck.
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Only issue is finding the said clean 80 for $5k.
Danimal
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Also, few folks keep their rigs forever, so resale should be considered. An 80 with that much money dumped in would still be worth way less than a nice 100 in a few years if it needed to be sold.
Have to agree.. my Runner has the V8 and is just as smooth as the Hundie and as capable IMHO.. Only reason I gave the edge to the Hundie is comfort. That alone on long trips is THE diffrence that IMHO can make or break a trip for most folks.
My Runner.. with 176 K miles still smooth as silk on the road..
The Hundie.. Comfort, comfort, comfort...
My Runner.. with 176 K miles still smooth as silk on the road..
The Hundie.. Comfort, comfort, comfort...
bossman429
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Deeds been done. Picked up a 98 hundie with hair under 130k miles. Clean as a button too (well bought it sight unseen but have no reason to fear otherwise)
It's very close to slee offroad so ill be having those guys give it a once over before shipping out. I may just have them do a lift and some other items while its there.... I'm not opposed to turning a wrench (god knows I did plenty of that on my land rover!). But it's close enough to being in the budget for them to do some work so I may just go ahead with it.
Here's where I'm at. Truck after taxes and delivery across the country ~ 14k
Lift kit installed ~ 2k
Bumpers ~3500 ( ill prob install those)
Sliders ~900 (ill install those as well)
New tires ~ 1500
So I'm a tad over budget but not horribly.
It's very close to slee offroad so ill be having those guys give it a once over before shipping out. I may just have them do a lift and some other items while its there.... I'm not opposed to turning a wrench (god knows I did plenty of that on my land rover!). But it's close enough to being in the budget for them to do some work so I may just go ahead with it.
Here's where I'm at. Truck after taxes and delivery across the country ~ 14k
Lift kit installed ~ 2k
Bumpers ~3500 ( ill prob install those)
Sliders ~900 (ill install those as well)
New tires ~ 1500
So I'm a tad over budget but not horribly.
bossman429
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Well its probably gonna be a few wels if not a month before I have it. But will do!