98 Jeep ZJ "SHTFV"

Ben Holeton

Observer
Thank you Mekcanix! By all means possible, copy whatever you like! So, How close is an XJ to the ZJ in the front end? I am thinking the bumper wont fit at all? Don't give up..... ever :)



Hi Ben, The engine situation is never a fun one. If you have the chance, may as well do some upgrades, it is all the same amount of work. I wish I would have!

I am intending to do some things like upgraded radiator, M1 intake (if I can find one) and some others. I'll end up buying parts and have them sit in a garage and get ready for the swap.
 

xjman88

Adventurer
Glad to see you still on here. Ive had quite a bit going on I the last year. We are now in Albuquerque, New Mexico. I unfortunately had to part with my 96ZJ prior to moving out here. But I picked up a 95 Orvis Edition ZJ w the v8 and other goodies back in July. So im slowly working on it and should have it ready for spring. Hope all is well.
 

Recce01

Adventurer
I am intending to do some things like upgraded radiator, M1 intake (if I can find one) and some others. I'll end up buying parts and have them sit in a garage and get ready for the swap.

Nice!!!

Glad to see you still on here. Ive had quite a bit going on I the last year. We are now in Albuquerque, New Mexico. I unfortunately had to part with my 96ZJ prior to moving out here. But I picked up a 95 Orvis Edition ZJ w the v8 and other goodies back in July. So im slowly working on it and should have it ready for spring. Hope all is well.

Albuquerque is an awesome spot to hang out. There are some epic spots to explore out that way! Glad to hear you scored another rig :) Go out and see the "Earthship" community, those guys are living the life on the cheap !!
 

Recce01

Adventurer
engine swap continued......

So, as we dug into this engine project, I was amazed at how many moving parts (and electronic parts) had to work in unison to make the engine run properly. It has been a standing joke amongst friends, that if it is forward of the firewall, it is none of my business (Unless chassis/bumper related of course). I still agree with their friendly abuse of me, I am simply perplexed regarding how it all works. It was cool to see it all come together....

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OP was doing work, and making it happen!


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He was super meticulous about every little thing, I guess when it comes to the motor, that's how it works :)


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Then it was finally time to drop in back in!!!


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Then came the task of hooking everything back up. Since OP had an actual business to run, he turned me loose to figure out where everything went. I just remembered his words "It only goes together one way" and started doing one thing at a time. This is the look I gave him......


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And then I got to work!


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It wasn't as bad as I thought it would be....


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This was back in January of 2014, to date I have 8K miles on the new motor! Thank you Millennium Motorsports and SubiWorks!!!!
 

Recce01

Adventurer
First trip after new engine...

So we got the engine replaced, and then I got busy. The next opportunity I really had to drive the Jeep was to my Son's Hockey Tournament in San Jose, CA. From there I had to go to Easter Jeep Safari for work, bummer eh :) When I was in Moab, Utah, I decided to take the ZJ on Hell's Revenge. What an awesome place to drive. The traction available on those rocks is simply mind boggling!!! Here are a few photos from the few days out there....

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I did learn one thing about my rig, I was in dyer need of a little more tire, and a locker wouldn't hurt either!
 

Recce01

Adventurer
In Moab......

While I was in Moab, I made a video for work. We filmed Casey Currie, his Axial R/C Jeep and his full size Jeep. I got the opportunity to break out the Hexacopter. I was super stoked to finally use this out in the field and scared to death all at the same time. Seems as the Iron content in the Rock would not allow the bird to get a good GPS signal or something like that, so we didn't have a "return to home" feature. This means if I screwed up, I'd have to tell my boss I just trashed a pile of money. DIDN'T WANT TO DO THAT!!! It was also the first time I worked with Brad Dumont with this 2 man operation, I flew the bird with goggles, he pointed the camera based on a monitor. It took us a little time to get used to it, be we managed to get some cool shots!

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Here are a few test shots we got with our friends at Icon Vehicle Dynamics .....



[video=youtube_share;f9WbjtWX7tQ]https://www.youtube.com/f9WbjtWX7tQ[/video]

[video=youtube_share;AbE78rc6oAg]https://www.youtube.com/AbE78rc6oAg[/video]

When I arrived home, I was told my footage was going to be archived until we had time for our editor to make a cut for us to launch. I decided to open up Windows Movie Maker and try to edit one myself. It was a half *** job compared to what our professional editors do, but it was done :) Here is what I came up with....

[video=youtube_share;GJZMUc1hsK0]https://www.youtube.com/GJZMUc1hsK0[/video]
 
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VanIsle_Greg

I think I need a bigger truck!
Welcome back. Motor swap looks awesome...and I can't believe you were offline for that long? Glad all is moving along again.
 

Recce01

Adventurer
Welcome back. Motor swap looks awesome...and I can't believe you were offline for that long? Glad all is moving along again.

Thank you Greg! Yes, I wanted to come back to the thread sooner, but always seemed too busy. lame excuses I guess :)

Does the Griffin radiator keep it substantially cooler? Love seeing well built rigs.

F40, It does not run substantially cooler :( I was kinda bummed to discover this at first, but after talking to my dad, he says they all run at that temp. The one area I did notice improvement, is after a long sand climb or sand run that increases temps quite a lot, it would cool back down at least twice as fast. I did run the same temp thermostat as before, as I was told it would not run properly otherwise. Some day I'll get into that in more detail and learn what options I have. All in all, I am quite pleased with the fitment of the radiator and its performance.
 

Recce01

Adventurer
Axle Swap

So this was the moment I had been waiting years and saving my money for, the proper axle swap. You guys don't know this, but about 3 years ago I had secured a set of JK axles (Front and Rear) from a 2012 Jeep JK Rubicon. I was so excited about these and ready to put them in my Jeep until I realized how much work was going to be required to make them fit properly. This forced me to put them aside and wait for additional funds. As life happens, This swap never came to fruition. I made a deal with my son, stating that if he got top shelf grades in school, I'd pay for him to play travel Ice Hockey. At the time I didn't know that travel ice hockey was 5K per season!!!! When he came to me with a stellar report card, I had to honor my deal. This meant the Axles went on Craigslist and migrated to northern California and I had the resources to cover his sporting expenses. This also put me back to square one, saving and hiding away coins whenever possible to attack this upgrade at a later date.

Once I finally had the resources together I started shopping around for the best options. I was pretty set on doing the JK swap, and was about ready to pull the trigger when I was chatting the guys from Currie Enterprises. I had already purchased their steering system for the XJ, and was very pleased with that, so I went over to their shop for the full tour. When I arrived, I was talking to their sales guy and he was showing me the differences between the factory axles and their axles, needless to say, I was very impressed with the engineering and detail in their offerings. Take a look at these photos....

This is a photo of the factory Jeep housing and axle tube cut-away

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Here is a photo of the Currie Rock Jock 44 housing cut-away

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I was pretty set on doing a Dana 44 upgrade all the way around. I had a CV jointed Dana 30 in the front, and an aluminum center sectioned Dana 44 in the rear. My truck weighs an absolute ton compared to a factory vehicle, so I wanted to go with axles that were up to the task and could handle the additional weight. One thing that I also had my heart set on was the electric lockers from Eaton. I loved the idea of the electric lockers in the factory Jeep JK Rubicon Axles.

After telling the Currie guys that I didn't need the Rock Jock 60's (Which looked really awesome by the way), I figured them to be overkill, I decided to pull the trigger and go with a set of Rock Jock 44's front and back. I decided to do 4:10 gears with the E-Locker from Eaton. This should make it cruise along the freeway at 2K RPM's at 70 mph with a 33" tire.

Looking at the above cut-away photos, you can see major differences in both the center section and in the axle tube diameter and thickness. The Rock Jock 44 center sections take the same JK gear set which has an 8.5" ring gear, which is larger than the standard Dana 44 ring gear.

Here is a list of all the components I needed to get to complete the Axle build

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The list included:
Motive Gear Ten Factory Front and rear 4340 Chromoly axles
Eaton Electric Lockers
4:10 front and rear Gear sets (hard to find actually, as they are the same as the factory JK axle gear set)
Install kits for front and rear
 

AZJim

Observer
Recce01, if you haven't done so already, add hood vents. They make a huge difference in cooling on v-8 ZJ's. As you probably already know, the engine is a tight fit and the air can't flow out very well and stacks up.

Jim
 

ReconZJ

Observer
So this was the moment I had been waiting years and saving my money for, the proper axle swap. You guys don't know this, but about 3 years ago I had secured a set of JK axles (Front and Rear) from a 2012 Jeep JK Rubicon. I was so excited about these and ready to put them in my Jeep until I realized how much work was going to be required to make them fit properly. This forced me to put them aside and wait for additional funds. As life happens, This swap never came to fruition. I made a deal with my son, stating that if he got top shelf grades in school, I'd pay for him to play travel Ice Hockey. At the time I didn't know that travel ice hockey was 5K per season!!!! When he came to me with a stellar report card, I had to honor my deal. This meant the Axles went on Craigslist and migrated to northern California and I had the resources to cover his sporting expenses. This also put me back to square one, saving and hiding away coins whenever possible to attack this upgrade at a later date.

Sometimes life just has surprises in store for us, and it works out better in the end.

After telling the Currie guys that I didn't need the Rock Jock 60's (Which looked really awesome by the way), I figured them to be overkill, I decided to pull the trigger and go with a set of Rock Jock 44's front and back. I decided to do 4:10 gears with the E-Locker from Eaton. This should make it cruise along the freeway at 2K RPM's at 70 mph with a 33" tire.

The list included:
Motive Gear Ten Factory Front and rear 4340 Chromoly axles
Eaton Electric Lockers
4:10 front and rear Gear sets (hard to find actually, as they are the same as the factory JK axle gear set)
Install kits for front and rear

Once these are installed and you're wheeling them, I don't think you'll look back at wanting the JK axles - good choice on the Curries. I looked at their RJ 60s, but went instead with the Dynatrac Pro Rock 60s since their shop is only a couple of miles down the street. Yes, overkill for sure with most of my offroading, but occasionally I have needed them.

Anyway, nice build and I'll go back to observer mode.
 

Mitch502

Explorer
By the way, just wanted to let you know that your build has influenced/inspired a lot of my build! I love this thing.
 

Lecoq

Explorer
I think you have built a really well balance jeep.

I have a question about the axles. Are you getting the axles and welding your own brackets or are the axles coming ready to go?
 

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