A quick trip in Death Valley

jcbrandon

Explorer
I had three days to spare so I made a fast dash into Death Valley. A few highlights of the trip:

The road to the Racetrack:



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The Grandstand at the Racetrack:



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The sand dunes near Stovepipe Wells:



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Sunset at a minimalist camp in Darwin Valley:



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And a narrow margin for error on Lippincott Mine Road:



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Overland Hadley

on a journey
Looks like a good trip.

Brings back memories from when I was there. Were there lots of foot steps in the mud at the racetrack?
 

jcbrandon

Explorer
...Were there lots of foot steps in the mud at the racetrack?

There was a big cluster just adjacent to the Grandstand. Maybe a hundred footprints or so. But strangely, none leading from the hard ground onto the playa. It was as if a flock of birds had landed in the mud, while wearing hiking boots.
 

cellularsteve2

Adventurer
Thanks for posting. Always love seeing photos of DV. I will be there next month. How was Lippincott? I have a full size van and may do it depending on current conditions.

steve
 

jcbrandon

Explorer
... How was Lippincott? I have a full size van and may do it depending on current conditions.

At the first turnout on the way down I met a driver in a van who had just made the climb. It was a Sportsmobile Ford E-350 regular body with some very stout rocker panel protection. When I asked him about the conditions he mentioned a narrow washout, took a look at the rock sliders on my truck, and said I'd probably be fine if I hugged the wall.

I'm pretty sure the washout he was describing is the one in my photo above. That was the narrowest spot on the trail. I'm running it downhill; the van ran it uphill. That would be a challenge without a spotter to keep your right front tire from going over the edge.

If I recall, the wheelbase on a Ford van -- even the extended body -- is shorter than the 140.5 inches on my Dodge truck. The only place I had to back up to get a tight enough cut on a turn is also in the photo above. And I never used my rock sliders.

I do remember thinking about the weight distribution on the truck. Lightly loaded on this trip, my front axle weight was higher than the rear. That means that if a rear tire starts to drop into a hole it will eventually reach the limits of the suspension travel and become airborne while the front tires both stay on the ground and continue to pull the truck away from the edge.

As the rear tires take a lazier route around corners, this could become the critical factor on a tight, washed-out turn. Pretty sure that was the case in the photo above. Another thousand pounds in the bed could have increased the pucker factor significantly. Climbing instead of descending could also have transferred enough weight to the rear to make it more interesting as well.

With that said, recall that the Sportsmobile is most likely heavier in the rear than the front and that he made the trip uphill without a disaster. The shorter wheelbase may have helped here. And he may just be a much better driver than I am.

So, short answer: You'll be fine. Unless something goes wrong.
 

Saline

Adventurer
Nice photos!
This pic was from mid November, same spot as your photo. To me the narrow shelf above this spot seemed a bit more narrow to me.I had my wife get out to spot me. Either way the road wasn't too bad IMO. We went down fully loaded with 2 weeks worth of food,beverage, etc. We were well over 10,000 lbs. eek!
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luk4mud

Explorer
We were at Racertrack last Saturday, saw a truck with a camper coming up Lippencott. That's the risk when Inyo County closes Saline Road both ways- lots of folks then use Lippencott to get in and out.
 

James86004

Expedition Leader
I had three days to spare so I made a fast dash into Death Valley. A few highlights of the trip:
And a narrow margin for error on Lippincott Mine Road:



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Did you see a lot of Land Rovers climbing Lippincott? If so, we were in the last one. I remember a Dodge like yours that pulled over for all of us.
 

jcbrandon

Explorer
Did you see a lot of Land Rovers climbing Lippincott? If so, we were in the last one. I remember a Dodge like yours that pulled over for all of us.

That was me. And I remember you. Right-hand drive, if I remember, yes? I reckon that climb feels pretty different from the right seat.
 

James86004

Expedition Leader
That was me. And I remember you. Right-hand drive, if I remember, yes? I reckon that climb feels pretty different from the right seat.

It does. I had some trouble with it, because it was the first trip in over a year in the right seat, and I had trouble placing the left wheels. I kept thinking the left wheels were farther away that they really were. I am glad my wife was able to help me.
 

jcbrandon

Explorer
It does. I had some trouble with it, because it was the first trip in over a year in the right seat, and I had trouble placing the left wheels. I kept thinking the left wheels were farther away that they really were. I am glad my wife was able to help me.

As you drove up toward me, I made some attempt to ask, via hand signals, whether there were any more vehicles behind you. Your passenger answered right away, with hand signals, that you were the last car in the group. And then I figured out that the person in the left seat was not driving the car. But seemed to be a pretty knowledgeable overlander nonetheless.
 

cellularsteve2

Adventurer
So, short answer: You'll be fine. Unless something goes wrong.

Very funny. Thanks for the reply on this. It doesn't look so bad in the photo but that is easier said behind the keyboard than the steering wheel. I did Laurel Lakes in my Sportsmobile and there is a tight spot with loose gravel and a good 100 foot drop but did fine. I hope to do Lippencott sometime.

It looks as though we will not be getting up that far this time but plan to take Goler Wash up and over the Mengle Pass. That should be fun in the van. Anyone know what the conditions are now?

steve
 

Cypher

Full Time Traveler
Great pics! Looks like a good time. I still really want to try and get out to DV this spring but more and more things just keep coming up that are putting my trip in danger. Thanks for sharing!
 

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