Another one bites the dust?

[jh504]

Ok, Im not sure how I found my way in here, since today I am driving a Jeep, but I am here now. Just wanted to give my two cents about this forum. I love this place. Becuase of diversity, becuase of acceptance, maturity, and intelligence. Some forums are overmoderated and some are full of you know whats. Thank goodness that the majority of folks on this one take an active role in being a benefit to society. Which is a mindset that is direct evidence of wisdom. :shakin:

 

[Blair G]

somebody said...blah blah diversity, blah blah blah acceptance, maturity, and intelligence. Some blah blah are overmoderated and some are full of you know whats.

Riiiight......Ok then..... off you go to the jeep forum and talk about what ever jeep people talk about. Your type won't be tolerated here. Next time you post you will be deleted by the moderators.
















eepwall:

 

[Blair G]

I've got one to trade. Doesn't run. Some wiring damage. No batteries. Really bad smell inside . . .

:shakin:

cheers

How is that any different from any Series Land Rover anybody has ever bought? What makes yours so special?

Blair

 

[gjackson]

How is that any different from any Series Land Rover anybody has ever bought?

Good point . . .

What makes yours so special?

It's Expo white!!

cheers

 

[Alaska Mike]

Alright, I'm going to have to put a stop to all of this good-natured banter. This is the Land Rover section, for goodness sake. We have standards. Please try to act accordingly.

And by the way, from the pictures I don't think that 110 is completely white any more- especially after all of the fire extingisher residue is removed.

 

[Blair G]

Alright, I'm going to have to put a stop to all of this good-natured banter. This is the Land Rover section, for goodness sake. We have standards. Please try to act accordingly.

And by the way, from the pictures I don't think that 110 is completely white any more- especially after all of the fire extingisher residue is removed.

Fascist

 

[Alaska Mike]

That's better. Leafer traitor.

 

[Tanto]

Wow, I'm gone for a day & look what happens. Are you guys drinking?

Never mind back to reverse triangular mergers...gotta keep the boot under 20%...continutity...voting shares at 80%...

 

[SMD]

** slight tangent **

Over the last few weeks during all the brouhaha, a little thought has occurred to me:
When will the skirmishes and cannibilization switch from black/green and leaf/coils to black/green/black and leaf/coil/airbag?

Automotive evolution. Within a few years perhaps some RRS and D3s will be picked on by coilers.

I wonder if the Series I folks picked on Series III folks for having too many curves? Or perhaps "Chap, that isn't a real Landie! The headlamps are not on the grill!"



** slight tangent over **

Shame about the expedition thread. There were some cogent points and ideological gems amid all the poo...

 

[FourByLand]

Just thinkin'

Maybe there should be a little "beer icon" so that when your beverage of choice is involved in a post others no what context to put it in... I mean seriously, most of our vehicles were built by some tipsy mechanic after a night of drinking anyway... just seems only right.

:friday:

 

[Alaska Mike]

Sadly, I don't know how many of the new rigs (i.e. the D3) will be around to be turned into trail rigs at any scale large enough to really make a dent. While plenty capable, the realities of maintaining them may doom the vast majority to the scrap yard. So many of the systems are integrated, a seemingly basic engine swap may prove daunting. Will a place like Rovers North be around to support them with just about every nut and bolt? With Ford's concept of leaning out the corporate logistics system to streamline things, I don't think we'll see the vast caches of parts like you see with the older models. Then there's the whole thing with the new owner and their concept for the company (whatever that is).

My hope is that people do restore and modify the newer Rovers in the future instead of discarding them, because that's where the commonality in the community starts. In my experience, when people use their vehicle as intended, they get respect from the crusty old leafers, albeit grudgingly. I think the Camel Trophy bought the Discos some street cred, but that didn't really extend to the Freelander....

 

[R_Lefebvre]

I can remember for the past 20 years, people have been talking about how technology would make cars unserviceable. When they switched from carbs to basic fuel injection, the world was supposed to end. Then when OBDII came along, look out!

The way I see it, things have never been better. One can buy a code reader for $100 that can give you insight into what's wrong with your car instead of fiddling about with points and floats. For $500, one can buy a computer flasher for the more popular models that allows you to completely retune the engine without mucking about with recurved distributors and jets.

The only people who have been left behind are those who are afraid of change.

Sure, the LR3 looks complicated now. And it is... but it's also been made with vastly better engineering resources and materials. It has a lot of systems, but once the price comes down and home mechanics start buying them, I hope that affordable diagnostic systems will be available.

The only threat to my view of things is the OEM's desire to make things proprietary in order to force people to return to the dealer for $ervice. They must realize that no matter what... people with money will not be buying used cars. And you have to have money to maintain an older car if you are going to go to the dealer. I mean, who in their right mind would buy a 3 year old car for half it's value, but then spend $1000's every month on repairs at the dealer? If I had that kinda cash, I'd just buy a new one with a warranty and service plan.

That means they have to accept the fact that it's people who will be fixing their own cars who will be buying them at the end of the lease. The more complicated you make them to maintain, the less appeal there is for us, and thus the value is lower.

This is why the complicated fancy cars plummet in value no matter who's name is on it. It happens to all of them, MB, BMW, Audi, etc. This drives up the cost of leases, or makes the purchase decision more difficult because resale is so low. I hope they figure this out soon.

 

[TeriAnn]

In my experience, when people use their vehicle as intended, they get respect from the crusty old leafers, albeit grudgingly.

Poooleeeezzzze

"Crusty old Leafers"? That is groosly lese-majeste! For certainly us leafer owners represent the majeste that coiler owners aspire to.

"Crusty"? Ickky poo!! I aspire to eccentric.

How come I can't find a smiley wearing a crown?

 

[TeriAnn]

I can remember for the past 20 years, people have been talking about how technology would make cars unserviceable. When they switched from carbs to basic fuel injection, the world was supposed to end. Then when OBDII came along, look out!

Yep. I was fording a river right behind a late Defender when its crank angle sensor got immersed in the cold river and broke from the thermal shock. The Defender had to be towed all the way back down the trail and to a motel where it sat until a replacement crank angle sensor could be shipped to them. Those OBDII vehicles are hydrophobic for good reason.

The only people who have been left behind are those who are afraid of change.

And those who want to have vehicles old enough to be modified without breaking State emissions regulations. In California its a 1973 & older petrol powered engine or vehicle, whichever is newer.

That means they have to accept the fact that it's people who will be fixing their own cars who will be buying them at the end of the lease. The more complicated you make them to maintain, the less appeal there is for us, and thus the value is lower.

Umm, Manufacturers want you to buy new cars. The faster used cars go to the recyclers the better for them.

Car manufacturers hate people like me who bought my Land Rover used then own it for 30 years and counting.

- 1960 Land Rover owned since 1978
- 1961 Triumph TR3A owned since 1986 (The new car)

 

[Alaska Mike]

C'mon TeriAnn. Is there another word besides crusty to decribe the coating of gear oil and dust that filtered through leaking door seals that covers all leafers? Wait. I think that's patina. eepwall: