Anti gun legislation

Mr. Leary

Mr. Leary

Glamping Excursionaire
So the gun control activists are already jumping on the shooting in Arizona.

A time when the nation should be mourning, they are gearing up for a fight. They will be launching another attack on high capacity magazines.

I reckon those of us who enjoy tactical shooting had better get ready to write more letters to our elected officials. If there is one thing that works its the threat of losing re-election votes over a gun issue.


Don't know about y'all, but I'm about fed up with gun abolitionists trying to spread fear and blame. I never knew a gun that got up in the morning and decided to shoot someone. I have yet to see a bit of gun control legislation that utilizes common sense.

Of course, my own viewpoints would earn me ire from the other side of the spectrum... I believe guns should have titles like boats and cars. I guess I'd make a bad politician because I would piss everyone off. Oh well...

Any thoughts on common sense gun control laws, maybe something that can actually be achieved as opposed to Utopian rhetoric?
 
goodtimes

goodtimes

Expedition Poseur
Gun haters are not alone. Gun rights supporters are also already jumping in saying how fewer people would have been murdered if everyone there had a gun.

There was a story (linked from either CNN or MSN) which included an interview with one of the people who tackled the shooter. In the interview, the person admits that he almost shot one of the other people trying to subdue the shooter, because that other person had grabbed the shooters gun to keep it away from him.

When the interviewee got to the scene, he saw a man with a gun pointed at another person, and initially thought *he* was the shooter. He almost shot him (the person holding the gun), but at the last second decided to tackle him instead -- a good decision on his part. But, it brings up a valid point. If everyone at the scene has a gun drawn, how does anyone (for example - a police officer responding to a call, who was not there at the outset of the incident) know who the criminal is?

I support the 4th as much as the next guy, have a gun safe with close to a dozen firearms in it, but it is a damn good question, IMO.
 
Dave Bennett

Dave Bennett

Adventurist
Funny how guns, Palin and Tea Party supporters were immediately to blame for this outrage. Pathetic.

I'm fairly sure there will be more legislation "for our safety" because of this...
 
thebrassnuckles

thebrassnuckles

Explorer
goodtimes said:
Gun haters are not alone. Gun rights supporters are also already jumping in saying how fewer people would have been murdered if everyone there had a gun.

There was a story (linked from either CNN or MSN) which included an interview with one of the people who tackled the shooter. In the interview, the person admits that he almost shot one of the other people trying to subdue the shooter, because that other person had grabbed the shooters gun to keep it away from him.

When the interviewee got to the scene, he saw a man with a gun pointed at another person, and initially thought *he* was the shooter. He almost shot him (the person holding the gun), but at the last second decided to tackle him instead -- a good decision on his part. But, it brings up a valid point. If everyone at the scene has a gun drawn, how does anyone (for example - a police officer responding to a call, who was not there at the outset of the incident) know who the criminal is?I support the 4th as much as the next guy, have a gun safe with close to a dozen firearms in it, but it is a damn good question, IMO.
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Training.

A cop wont run into a room full of guys with guns and start taking them out... (hopefully:Wow1:)

a CCW holder when told to by the police will put his gun down.

a criminal when told the same.. generally wont..


if the guy who had tackled the shooter had a gun, he wouldnt have tackled the shooter, he would have shot him.
The second guy, would then have seen a guy holding a gun on a guy laying on the ground. His next action would have been to assess the situation, and decide if anyone needed further doses of lead... (hopefully no one would need any more lead) then the police would have shown up to a bunch of CCW guys giving each other high fives for saving the day.:wings:

ok not the high fives part. but you know.
 
Mr. Leary

Mr. Leary

Glamping Excursionaire
goodtimes said:
When the interviewee got to the scene, he saw a man with a gun pointed at another person, and initially thought *he* was the shooter. He almost shot him (the person holding the gun), but at the last second decided to tackle him instead -- a good decision on his part. But, it brings up a valid point. If everyone at the scene has a gun drawn, how does anyone (for example - a police officer responding to a call, who was not there at the outset of the incident) know who the criminal is?
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While the answer sounds complicated, I believe it would be much easier to deal with in practical application. Concealed carry holders are most often the type who are not going to pull it out unless they have a target they intend to engage. You do not get and keep a concealed carry lisence by pulling your gun out all the time. Besides, most often the responding officers get there just in time to deal with the aftermath.

If there is in fact a guns drawn standoff that the officer encounters, he could ask everyone to disarm, or maybe just ask them what is going on.

Again, just my (admittedly biased) opinion.
 
FurthurOnTheFly

FurthurOnTheFly

Glamping Society
I have a CCW (from back when it was required) and generally carry daily, and I have to say in a chaotic situation like that, if I'd been there I'm not sure I would have fired. This did not take place in a contained area, it was outside in the open with people running everywhere. Unless I saw the guy walk up and start shooting from the beginning and had a 100% clear shot there is no way I'd come out guns blazing. I mean how do you stop someone like that who is just firing randomly into a crowd without hurting someone else? And chances are unless you get him in the head, you are going to need to fire more than once to take an obviously mentally disturbed person down. I think getting close enough to tackle him, although putting yourself in more danger, was the best thing to do.

The thing I found funny was how many comments have been made about 'this is Arizona I can't believe there wasn't another person there with a gun to take him out!!". Hello people, this was a Tucson democratic meeting with most of the attendees being retired senior citizens. It doesn't surprise me in the least that there were no citizens with guns there.
 
Dave Bennett

Dave Bennett

Adventurist
weezerbot said:
The thing I found funny was how many comments have been made about 'this is Arizona I can't believe there wasn't another person there with a gun to take him out!!". Hello people, this was a Tucson democratic meeting with most of the attendees being retired senior citizens. It doesn't surprise me in the least that there were no citizens with guns there.
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x2 and LOLz!
 
1911

1911

Expedition Leader
Mr. Leary said:
Any thoughts on common sense gun control laws, maybe something that can actually be achieved as opposed to Utopian rhetoric?
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The most common sense of all is the one we already have but don't use much any more: the constitution. :(
 
1911

1911

Expedition Leader
paulj said:
Their view is that a gun-culture is too ingrained in American culture and thinking, especially in more rural states.
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That's OK; my view is that a monarchy-culture is too ingrained in British culture and thinking, so I guess we're even. :)
 
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