Anyone looking for a PTO for your Defender?

ipgregory

Adventurer
I'd choose PTO, or hydraulic, over electric for an expedition vehicle.
I would tend to disagree with that Tom. Neither offer less complexity or greater reliability than a simple electric and neither are usable in the event of a tip over when you are alone and need to right the vehicle yourself. An electric will still run without the engine and allow you to self recover as long as you have battery power. When we do the tip over demo at the Expo many people are surprised when we show how you can recover the truck to its wheels using its own winch.
 

Antichrist

Expedition Leader
Yeah, I've rolled myself over with my electric, plus other various contortions with it. But what do you do if your electric winch is dead, for instance, a fried winch motor?
Personally I'd get out my backup recovery device. Which is what I'd do in the event of a rollover in a PTO winch equipped vehicle.
In any case, they all have pros and cons and I wasn't saying what others should choose, only what I'd choose.
People seem to forget, or not know, that one of the most famous Land Rover expeditions ever, did quite well with PTO winches.
 

LR Max

Local Oaf
WHAT. Electric ******. The electric winches (assuming you get a warn or some other similar quality winch) made in the past 15 years are all very, very, very good units. With synthetic line, they are light, strong, safe, and versatile. Unless you proceed in all kinds of debauchery, you should be able to winch yourself out of trouble and not drain your battery all the way.

Now if I was winching all day, everyday, then yes a PTO would be a great piece of equipment.
 

ipgregory

Adventurer
That's my position as well, the comment was about Expo travel where people are trying NOT to get stuck typically and only need the winch for emergencies. Some of which may well include a dead engine or inability to run the engine such as a roll over. Not a winch challenge type event or mud fest where they need to run it all day. I know I would rather only have to carry a spare solenoid pack or even motor if I was really going into the boonies than a bunch of hoses, pump, fluid, etc. Have nothing against non-electric winches and I agree they are superior to electric in some applications, but for Expo travel as was suggested I don't think it applies. Electric are cheap, reliable for occasional emergency use and simple. Yes its always possible to use another method if you have a non-electric winch and no motor but when we demonstrate righting a truck with a hi-lift, most people think that whilst it is certainly possible, its typically something they would rather chew their own leg off 1st to avoid... :)
 

LR Max

Local Oaf
And really if you look at it, the "trial trucks" over in England do participate in winchfests and most of them used super tricked out electrical winches.
 

Antichrist

Expedition Leader
...they all have pros and cons and I wasn't saying what others should choose, only what I'd choose.
In the 35+ years of living and working with Land Rovers I've used all three types a fair bit, so I'm basing what I'd choose on personal experience. Other people have other experiences and will choose equipment based on that.
 

tacr2man

Adventurer
just my 2/100 worth , and Im on 45+yrs with landrovers , and winching including heavy recovery . For most peoples requirements an electric winch is adequate , and is a cheaper and lighter option. However if you intend doing regular or extended winching then its a pto winch either mechanical or hydraulic . I personally prefer hydraulic for its fine control . but its drawback is one of weight and space for the required components. Camel trophy winches were selected with an eye to the short term usage, weight , sponsorship , costs , (the camel colour was surplus paint from discontinued model built by British leyland,called Sandglow). From my own experience I have used my winch on my 110 almost exclusively winching other vehicles out . Really for expedition use a winch on the rear of the vehicle would be more use , as there are alternative routes almost always, and you are not looking for extreme sport when travelling thru foreign lands, its not a Darien gap type venture:smiley_drive:
With regard to winching and driving at same time , its a recipe for disaster , and is usually down to either not a high enough capacity winch , or too much haste so not using a snatch block. So the use of pto that eliminates the possibility is a safety factor . If your getting a drop off in performance due to fluid viscosity in hydraulic winch then you have a badly designed system. JMHO
 

MarkIIa

Observer
My PTO winch (came off a Rangie classic) has a hand-crank boss on the front so should the engine cark it, I could then spend the next four days hand winching. Oh what fun that would be. Can't do that with an electric winch should power become unavailable though!

But electric winches are so much easier to fit up. Not that it matters to me since both my PTO winch and 8274 are in the garage, not on vehicles.
 

I Leak Oil

Expedition Leader
You should fit a winch based on your general experience level and general needs, not a hypothetical singular situation. PTO's have been around for a long time and are proven (mechanical as well as hydraulic). There are also high quality electric units out there that are just as proven. If there were one unit that was best for every one in every situation then there would only be on unit left on the market.
 

Antichrist

Expedition Leader
My PTO winch (came off a Rangie classic) has a hand-crank boss on the front so should the engine cark it, I could then spend the next four days hand winching. Oh what fun that would be. Can't do that with an electric winch should power become unavailable though!
Is that a Thomas winch? I'd really like to get the model number if possible. DAP, Inc. here in the states used to carry Thomas winches (in the 80's) that had that feature. I'm told Thomas still sells them new, but haven't been able to find them on their web site.

You should fit a winch based on your general experience level and general needs, not a hypothetical singular situation.
Pretty much my point, expressed much better however.
 

MarkIIa

Observer
Hi Tom,
Yes it is a Thomas winch. I'll dig it out and check numbers for you after work.
Regards,
Mark.
 

hplp

New member
I have a complete superwinch H14 PTO winch if anyone is interested. Id need to get it across the big pond though.

H
 

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