Aperture 3 from Apple - Released

Ryanmb21

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Apple released a new version of Aperture with many welcomed additions. :victory:

I'm looking forward to downloading the trial version and trying it out. Copy/paste from the site

What’s new in Aperture 3.

Faces and Places. Brushes for precision retouching. Dozens of adjustment presets. True full-screen browsing and editing. And that’s just part of the perfect picture.

Faces Organize photos using face detection and recognition tools.

Places Use GPS data to explore photos by the location where they were shot.

Brushes Retouch precisely with nondestructive, edge-aware brushes.

Adjustment Presets Choose from dozens of professional imaging effects. Or create your own.

Full-Screen Browser Use every inch of your brilliant Mac display to browse and edit.

Advanced Slideshows Create slideshows with photos, HD video, titles, and layered soundtracks.

These videos show some of the new features.

Of particular interest to Expo, it appears that you can import a GPS track and apply locations to pictures, very cool! This video shows that
 
I used the trial version of 2 and really liked it. I never got around to getting it and decided to wait for 3. I'm stoked for it, now where's the money when I need it?
 
Sweet! Been using Aperture 2 for quite a while now, pretty much ever since it came out. Looks like it's time to upgrade again...
 
Looks pretty nice. My wife would like something between iPhoto and PhotoShop, this might be the ticket. Now if only I could figure out a way to have all our printers, music and photos on a home "server" shared by Mac's and PC's, inexpensively, life would be great!
 
Upgraded!

I just bought the upgrade, it took 2.5 hours to convert my Aperture 2 librabry to Aperture 3, to conclude face detection takes a bit longer. One thing I did notice is that pictures I've taken with my iPhone automatically had Gps data, cool. I look forward to using the new features including d90 video. Updates to follow.
 
Very Nice!

Importing a 10,000 image/165 GB library was very, very slow and, as noted by a lot of the chatter on the Internet, less than a "perfect" Apple experience. (The new database format is clearly very different.)

You may not want to switch on "Faces" until you can leave the program to churn for a few hours.

But once those tasks are done, the application seems to scream right along and the new features are very nice.
 
Ap 3 Rocks! I now have a one program to organize my photo's and movies. I only had about 10gb to move over from Ap2 so the process went pretty fast.
 
Being a photoshop/bridge user I never did care for Aperture. While Aperture is a decent program for somethings it really is not a program to do everything. I started with PS Elements and moved on to CS4. The learning curve if one was to start with CS4 is very steep, but with prior knowledge of Elements the curve was not near as bad. Elements utilizes many of the same tools as CS4 but the tools just work better in CS4.
 
Bringing this back to life because I'd really like to hear how users experience has been with Aperture 3 before I personally give up on it. For the last few days I have been playing with it and I do find there to be a lot of really nice features. The library is so much better than Lightrooms. The brushes are excellent, and more flexible than Lightrooms, and I love this:
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Full screen editing,with a flexible palette,... on a 27" iMac it's awesome!!!

So what's not to love you ask? It is slow!! Compared to LR2 and beta 3 it's really slow, and this is on a 8 gig i7 iMac. The program should not lag behind with that much horsepower behind it. What else? Well like I said, I do like the brushes, but that's about it as far as a raw converter goes. No custom profile options, monochrome conversions are a bit clumsy and limited, and the tool pallet is rather slim when compared to LR or even Capture NX2. As an all in one in works really well, and if you do only very minor adjustments to your files, the library alone may be worth it. That said there are a few things rubbing me the wrong way with its raw converter side and I'm having trouble looking past them. Unless there is something I am really overlooking I guess I'll still be a Lightroom guy, but I do really want to jump ship to Aperture. Errr, actually I just want the best of both!
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Anyone want to share your thoughts or impressions after using it?
 
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Trevor - when I installed Aperture 3 it was slow initially due to the processing of "Faces" but once it was done with that it didn't seem slow. I haven't used lightroom so I don't have anything to compare it to but for me the speed seems pretty good. I have 4gb of ram on regular macbook.

Is your "faces" done processing? If so, i might give the customer service a call they might know what the hold up is, with your computer it should be fast.

I really like the 'places' features, the full screen editing and it's tight integration with all the other apple apps make for an incredible program in my opinion. I'm interested in others comments and will add some more thoughts when I have some more time.
 
Trevor - when I installed Aperture 3 it was slow initially due to the processing of "Faces" but once it was done with that it didn't seem slow. I haven't used lightroom so I don't have anything to compare it to but for me the speed seems pretty good. I have 4gb of ram on regular macbook.

Is your "faces" done processing? If so, i might give the customer service a call they might know what the hold up is, with your computer it should be fast.

I really like the 'places' features, the full screen editing and it's tight integration with all the other apple apps make for an incredible program in my opinion. I'm interested in others comments and will add some more thoughts when I have some more time.
I turned faces off as I'm just using the trial right now. The speed issue becomes most noticeable when using brushes in full screen, and it's at its worst when you do detail edits at 100%. It's not painfully slow, but when compared to LR it feels like it. Brush strokes, or detail adjustments in LR are instant. In Aperture however I sometimes find myself waiting a few seconds for the program to show me the adjustment I am trying to brush in.

Edit: Take the raw converter part of the equation out of the mix though, and yeah, the program is stellar.
 
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Love Aperture3

Trevor,

First of all, if you are using the trial, update it. BUT, it will not update until you delete the Aperture preferences file, as noted below. In fact, contrary to what Apple claimed, I was able to convert my entire AP2 library and run it under AP3 in parallel with AP2. (Trust me, I kept safety copies of EVERYTHING. Time Machine is also a very nice safety blanket, but keeping a full copy of the old AP2 library takes up some serious disk.)

AP3 zooms along on my 4GB Mac Mini. Converting a 150 GB library took a long time and it helps to make sure that your previews are set to just under screen size and only 5 or 6 quality. I also have it set so that they are updated to share only upon shut down. LR is a bit clever in that it does not sharpen images except in full res; a real speed boost.

I have even started to play with faces - insanely great for finding all of those pictures of old girl friends. (Sadly does not recognize animals.) Brushes DO gag at full res on a 100 MB TIFF. The problem appears to be in the regeneration of thumbnails. Something not right here. I know that a "save" button is anathema in a non-destructive workflow, but we need to suspend a lot of these background tasks until we are happy with what we have done. Worse, the previously insanely great retouch, that killer of pimples, film scratches, and DSLR sensor dust seems to be badly broken.

Some notes:

-- Contrary to popular opinion, AP3 appears to be a major rewrite of the data base, thus everything related to conversion and update from AP2 takes a lot of time. Watch the little activity monitor near the bottom of the screen. If it starts spinning click on it and see what is going on. May be time for coffee. (This stops after a day or so.) Mess up the conversion and you will have no end of problems.

-- There have been two software updates and both seem to be important.

-- Start Aperture pressing the Apple and Option keys and rebuild the data base.

Finally, this seems to help a lot of people. (From the Apple discussion site.):

"Are you running the latest aperture 3 updates and prokit updates? If not, run software update, if you are - go to the finder and move everything to the trash that is inside these folders:

Hard Drive/Library/Caches
Hard Drive/System/Library/Caches
Hard Drive/Users/(Your user)/Library/Caches

Also delete this file:
Hard Drive/Users/(Your user)/Preferences/com.apple.aperture.plist

Reboot... It will take a little bit."

N.B. That last one was actually: Hard Drive/Users/(Your user)/Library/Preferences/com.apple.aperture.plist on my machine.

Don't delete the folder, just the files and folders inside.

"... a little bit." Translates to about ten minutes during which you will be sure that your Mac has died. Be patient. Once you reopen Aperture:

-- It will go into a long siege of processing. Looks like it rebuilds every project. Let it run and don't bother it.

-- Go to "Preferences" and reset everything as you wish. This is essential, especially Preview size and performance.

No guarantees, but while a vocal minority have issues, most find AP3 to be faster than AP2.

As for tools, you do know that most of the tools are turned off by default. Click on the bar marked "Adjustments" and a whole pile more appear. N.B. Most find the "Sharpen" is not very useful, but "Edge Sharpen" is VERY good. (Finally, if you need more tools, then you may need Photoshop or at least Elements! :) )

Raw Developers are a matter of taste; especially for Nikon users. And while there are great debates about this, I find AP3 very good; certainly better at highlights than LR3b. (Haven't used CNX for years - can't get past the UI.) In any case, Rob Boyer has some great Nikon presets at http://photo.rwboyer.com/. (See especially: http://photo.rwboyer.com/series/aperture-3-nikon-presets/) He tends to be very anti-Aperture on Nikon color but I find that his D200 Landscape profile gives me the Nikon Look in spades. More to the point, once you see what he's doing, you can write your own presets until you heart's content. Most of Nikon's secret sauce is a kick more contrast/saturation/noise reduction/sharpening, once you get that, AP (and LR) can do Nikon all day. I actually prefer starting with the flatter image, but your mileage may vary.

If memory serves, this image was done with the Rob Boyer D200 "Landscape" preset. (It was certainly done with AP3.) Note the deep blue/green; classic Nikon.

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This one was simply done by hand. Again, very dark and lots of green, but these are simply the AP3 base colors.

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And finally, some mud. This is an overland forum, after all. (Lots of yellow/green.) ;)

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Rob also publishes eBooks on Aperture library structure, a subject that engenders much angst.

Bob Rockefeller is another knowledgeable soul on Aperture. You can read his stuff at: http://www.bobrockefeller.com/

Finally, you can read all of the gnashing of teeth at: http://discussions.apple.com/forum.jspa?forumID=1092 You will also quickly figure out who knows what they are talking about and who is willing to be helpful.

Bottom line, for workflow, tools, etc,. I think Aperture 3 nukes Lightroom. That said, if I were a Lightroom user and happy, I wouldn't bother to switch, most of my quibbles spring from lack of familiarity with LR, not actual problems. And LR3 final will be better and then AP4 will be better, etc. That said:

-- I love Aperture's full screen mode, especially on a laptop. I don't like editing in clutter mode.
-- Lightroom still lacks soft proof. Can't understand why.
-- Really like Lightroom's split screen before and after to watch edits. Pressing “M” in AP is close, but not the same.
-- The AP print module prints at full 16 bit and produces nice results, but has some bugs in the handling of presets, etc.

Hope this helps.
 
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Really nice post. Does anyone know how Aperture is handling colour? What profile and colour space is it using? The standard profile is nice, much more balanced then the Adobe Standard, but it pushes orange towards red too much I find. That's one thing I really like with Lightroom is being able to select the profile I want to use. I almost always use the Nikon Neutral profile for most of my editing, it's a preset I use on import actually. I find it keeps the shadows bright, the highlights in check, and the tonal curve and luminance values are as Nikon intended them to be.

As for speed, nah still drags. I downloaded the program 3 days ago and only have about 50 files in the library as I'm simply testing. I'm trying to figure out if I like the program enough to jump, or if I should simply upgrade to LR3 when it comes out of beta in a month.

The jury is still out on it's abilities as a raw converter but I will give Aperture it's full 30 days to try and swoon me.
 

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