Boomer the Quadravan 4x4 Camper

Mwilliamshs

Explorer
...The red lights should keep the bugs away if they start collecting at night....

Man I hope so for your sake, but I doubt it. I've worked with red lights for night-vision preservation purposes and believe me, mosquitoes are not put off by them. Yellow lights are supposedly invisible to bugs so they can be used without attracting bugs but I wouldn't say the deter them, just don't attract them. Blue, black and UV lights definitely attract them, hence their use in traps and bug zappers.
 

Vandit

Observer
Top notch. Love the light housing design. With the throw pointing downwards, it will certainly be less intrusive to the surroundings. And I love the switch plate. Keep up the great work!
 

guidolyons

Addicted to Gear Oil
That porch light is Kustom with a K! Very slick. The 3d printed switch plate sure beats the old Dymo embossed sticky label maker!


Well...I'll report back with the outcome.

SG

LEDs were once thought not to attract insects...unfortunately not true. While they do not deter insects, they do attract fewer bugs than a standard incandescent bulb. Most insects are attracted more to blue than red.

http://luxreview.com/article/2015/06/-led-lights-don-t-attract-insects-true-or-false-
The study found that 60-70 per cent of insects preferred light at the blue end of the spectrum. But that doesn’t mean the others stayed at home – insects, as it turns out, have a wide variety of preferences. Eighteen per cent headed for a white light, another eight to 10 per cent went for yellow and two per cent headed straight for the red light district.

http://www.energycircle.com/blog/2011/08/17/correction-led-lights-do-attract-bugs
Back in 2009, we got excited when we heard that LED lights didn’t attract bugs. We do love LEDs for a variety of reasons already -- long, long life; low, low energy consumption; and good, high quality light. (Also, the cool factor.) The thought that they might also keep the bugs away seemed too good to be true until we saw some credible sources explaining that LED lights emit very little light in the UV spectrum, and that it’s UV light that attracts bugs.

Lo and behold, the thesis has not passed the test of time. It is true that most LED lights do not produce a significant amount of UV light. But, while the spectrum of light produced by LEDs can vary from light to light, it turns out that most do produce a significant amount of blue light.

Blue light, it turns out, also attracts bugs. I emailed Andrei Alyokhin, an entomology professor at the University of Maine, asking if he could “shed some light” on the matter. He responded:

“Insects are mostly attracted to UV light and blue light. They cannot really see red light. Warmth plays a minor, if any, role. So, insect attraction will depend on the wavelength of the LED light used by the homeowners.”

We then found a nice graph from the Microscopy Resource Center illustrating the wavelengths emitted by various light sources. Here’s what it looks like:

light spectrum of various light sources

… Confirming that, yes, white LEDs produce a significant amount of blue light, which also attracts bugs -- explaining why, as some commenters on the previous post noticed, most LEDs are not immune to molestation by members of the insect community.

This past weekend we tested the theory in the real world -- specifically, outside a cabin in Northern Maine, where the bugs are a-plenty -- using a Pharox 6 Watt LED bulb (this bulb is intended to replace a 60-watt incandescent bulb, although it only produces 360 lumens -- less than half of what a 60 watt incandescent would produce) and a GE Reveal 10w, 400 lumen CFL (just a slightly higher output than the LED, it’s marketed as a 40w replacement). We placed the two bulbs in fixtures on either side of an exterior door. Lo and behold, both, sadly, did attract bugs.

Again, we apologize for propagating what has proven to be a myth, and apologize if our previous post has caused any confusion or inconvenience for you, our beloved readers.
 
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ed060784

New member
These are the kind of treads i love to read because it makes me realize I'm not crazy lololol spending so much time , money and energy on my rig to ultimately make it they way want it , spencer you've done a fantastic job building boomer the overland van !! One thing is seeing it up close in person but when i get to actually see a lot of the work done to it so far makes the vehicle that much cooler for sure !! Cant wait to see it in action soon



99 WJ expedition/recovery/overland
 

spencyg

This Space For Rent
Well, Boomer just arrived back from a nice little trip into the woods. The new brakes with the upgraded master cylinder were the final icing on the cake. The pedal effort is fine for normal driving, and panic stopping works well. The pedal is very high and firm and with just toe braking I can accomplish regular braking duties. Panic braking requires a firm force from the leg, but it works really well. The rear discs are right there when you need them. I'm 100% pleased and wont be (for the time being) going to hydroboost.

The other item which was tested this weekend was the porch light. The white LED's draw in all sorts of bugs like you'd expect. I tested in both New Hampshire as well as the North Maine Woods, so I feel the bug "diversity" was appropriate. The Red LED array is awesome. It throws down enough light so you can clearly see around you, but the bugs leave it alone...completely. I even went with a white light one evening to start, let it get encrusted with bugs, and then switched to red. Within 15 minutes they were all gone. I can say with confidence that a Red LED porch light is a great way to see around your entrance without attracting "attention".

Just a few pics for those who feel cheated when there are only words.











Not a whole lot of "post trip repairs" to make. I've got some more interior rattles which need to be addressed and my silly Rancho 9000XL shocks are TERRIBLE!!!!!! I'm not quite ready to pull the trigger with Ramsey @ Agile Offroad because I want to build new radius arms first (of course), so I'm going to have to suffer with insta-fade Ranchos for awhile longer. Pittiful.

We've got an awesome multi-family trip in the works for next month where the focus will be ghost towns and waterfalls of the Northeast. Stay Tuned!

SG
 

tgreening

Expedition Leader
Nice pictures man. I have a friend that would go stupid over those trains. He's got a.....thing, for trains for some reason.
 

guidolyons

Addicted to Gear Oil
The other item which was tested this weekend was the porch light. The white LED's draw in all sorts of bugs like you'd expect. I tested in both New Hampshire as well as the North Maine Woods, so I feel the bug "diversity" was appropriate. The Red LED array is awesome. It throws down enough light so you can clearly see around you, but the bugs leave it alone...completely. I even went with a white light one evening to start, let it get encrusted with bugs, and then switched to red. Within 15 minutes they were all gone. I can say with confidence that a Red LED porch light is a great way to see around your entrance without attracting "attention".

Just a few pics for those who feel cheated when there are only words.

SG

Red LED Scientifically proven by SG to reduce bugs 👍👍

Well, Spence you do have a way with words...

But the pics help. 👍👍:elkgrin::elkgrin:
 

luthj

Engineer In Residence
Most red LEDs produce a single wavelength of light. While blue/orange/yellow/white lights actually combine several wavelengths together to give the appearance of the specific color (it has to do with human color perception). Because the other colors produce a range of wavelengths, they are more likely to attract the attention of insects. The almost pure red however is a single low wavelength which does not occur much in nature at night (think moon reflecting off a lake). Because of this most insects are not attracted to it (if they can even see it at all). The red wavelength has the added bonus of not impacting your night vision much. :sombrero:

Oh, nice metal work by the way!
 

Vandit

Observer
Since the bug experiment went so well with the red LED's, would you consider going with the all red LED light bar if you had to do it over? With the extra LED's dedicated to red, would it put out enough light for most situations? Or would you miss having the ability to turn on the white? Thanks for sharing your research!
 

spencyg

This Space For Rent
Interesting question Vandit. I wouldn't abandon white light because there are times you need actual light, and in the spring and fall the bugs aren't nearly the concern that they are in the middle of summer. I would like for more red LED's in my particular array, but 3 seems to be enough to safely see where you're going and what you're doing at night. The alternate white array lights up a circle on the ground probably 20ft in radius.

SG
 

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