Camp stoves Help!

Herbie

Rendezvous Conspirator
Those are commonly known as "Esbit" stoves, for the fuel they burn.

I've used them, but I don't really love them. The fuel is relatively compact and it lights easily, but it's expensive in terms of cost per meal worth of cooking. Also, they're really only good for boiling water for wet meals or beverages, since there's no heat control and the burn time isn't long enough for a long session anyhow.

If you want a super compact and lightweight stove and you're at all handy, google "penny stove" and see my preferred method for an alcohol burning stove made from a couple of beer cans. I made one quickly a few years back when I started ultralight backpacking, thinking I would make another one "right" when the first one stopped working. Problem is, it still works great!

For vehicle-based camping, you're probably going to be much happier with a more conventional stove with a burner control, etc. I'm heavily invested in white-gas (coleman) fuel appliances, so I stick with that, but most here on ExPo like propane, etc. Choose the fuel that works for you and then pick your price range. Everyone will tell you to spend the $$ for a Partner stove, but many people have a hard time getting a cheap coleman stove to fail, so choose your battles.
 

NothingClever

Explorer
Everyone will tell you to spend the $$ for a Partner stove, but many people have a hard time getting a cheap coleman stove to fail, so choose your battles.

Sir, it must cost a lot and inspire the imagination that you're on safari or it isn't worthy.

Just kidding :coffeedrink: .
 

NothingClever

Explorer
If you want a super compact and lightweight stove and you're at all handy, google "penny stove" and see my preferred method for an alcohol burning stove made from a couple of beer cans. I made one quickly a few years back when I started ultralight backpacking, thinking I would make another one "right" when the first one stopped working. Problem is, it still works great!

I have too many projects and I'm a little on the lazy side so I bought an Esbit alcohol stove.
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BACKGROUND: Pressurized stove fan for my whole camping life. Have owned several MSR products. Recent discussion of their pump failures got me interested in seeking out an alternative stove. I've used a few types of solid fuel stoves over the years (military and Esbit) but knew they would present a resupply problem once the nearest camping store was out of sight. I stumbled on alcohol stoves from another website I frequent and after a link or two discovered a whole cottage industry and nation of rabid alky stove fans. Wow!! Anyways, I have too many projects to become the next Tinny or Shugemary so I simply bought an Esbit stove.
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http://www.esbit.net/product-detail/items/CS985HA-hard-anodized-aluminium-985ml-cookset.html.
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CS985HA_01_Kochset_(Trockenbrennstoff_nicht_im_Lieferumfang_enthalten).jpg

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What got me interested in the Esbit (versus the ubiquitous Trangia) was the trick little handle they put on the simmer ring.
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OBSERVATION: This weekend I camped at 12,875 feet. Temps were in the low 40s with highs in the 70s. I used the Esbit alcohol stove with regular denatured alcohol (shellac thinner) and a windscreen (it was quite windy). Although it took longer than normal for the flame to "bloom", once the stove was fully operational, the flame quality was no different than at 5,895 feet where I live. It took 7 minutes to prime, heat and come to boil a full size can of soup. Water in an Optimus kettle took less time. One feature I like especially about the stove is the ability to cool down so quickly which makes packing up much faster, a very important aspect for me. From extinguishing the flame to packing everything up was 1 minute. However, on a negative note, the Esbit stove is NOT leakproof. The point of failure is the crimped flange (the edge widest in circumference) and not the o-ring top. Not to worry, I think I'll simply purchase a Trangia stove which is only about U$D15-17.
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Just thought I'd throw the data points out there for those researching alcohol. I think I'm sold. For cold weather, I think a hip flask would be perfect to keep the fuel warm. As far as fuel availability, my only interests in international touring are Central and South America and I'm confident I'll be able to find fuel to last me from one resupply to the next. (Famous last words :D ) .
 

stevo

Observer
Camp Stoves

As I go through my "golden years", I find that backpacking has lost it's appeal for me but, for my "truck camping", I use two Coleman Dual-Fuel stoves and matching lanterns. Yeah I know, white gas ain't cheap but having your propane bottle run out at a bad time (and it always happens at a bad time) isn't cool either. Although I've never tried running un-leaded gasoline through it, Coleman says it's do-able.
Cheers, Stevo
 

Herbie

Rendezvous Conspirator
However, on a negative note, the Esbit stove is NOT leakproof. The point of failure is the crimped flange (the edge widest in circumference) and not the o-ring top. Not to worry, I think I'll simply purchase a Trangia stove which is only about U$D15-17.

Great info. The ability to snuff and seal up an alcohol burner with fuel still inside is sort of my holy grail. I hate it when I overestimate the fuel load and just have to let it burn after the water is boiling... Maybe I'll pick one of these up and try to leakproof it with a liberal application of JB weld around the crimped flange or something...
 

NothingClever

Explorer
Great info. The ability to snuff and seal up an alcohol burner with fuel still inside is sort of my holy grail. I hate it when I overestimate the fuel load and just have to let it burn after the water is boiling... Maybe I'll pick one of these up and try to leakproof it with a liberal application of JB weld around the crimped flange or something...

Do you have any proposals on how to neatly / uniformly apply the JB Weld? I've wanted to do the same thing (fix the leak) but I haven't been able to figure out a neat way to do it (I admit, I'm a bit of a neat freak).
 

Herbie

Rendezvous Conspirator
Your level of neatness required may be higher than mine...

I used JB weld to seal my penny stove when I didn't get the two halves of beer cans smooshed together - at that point I didn't care about looks so I just mixed up a small batch and used a toothpick to pack it into the seam.

If I cared about looks, I might do something similar but then run my finger around the gap like I was smoothing a bead of caulking on a tub, and wipe up the excess before it dries. (Maybe wear a tight rubber glove, rather than get it on my skin...)
 

NothingClever

Explorer
LOL....yep, I'm a picture straightener. I think it's from the German sawdust in my genetic woodpile.
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On a related note, I have a new cookset coming. I think this thing is going to be the bee's knees for several reasons (most importantly the integrated heat exchanger fins incorporated into the bottoms of the pots, the hard anodized material and the non-stick coating in all the pots). It comes with its own alcohol burner so I'm crossing my fingers that I just got a bad stove with my first Esbit cookset shown in the previous post.
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Video demonstration (German)
 
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NothingClever

Explorer
My new Esbit CS2350HA cookset came today along with a coupla Trangia fuel bottles (plastic) with the safety valves. The heat exchanger on the pots works fantastically.
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SUH-WEEEEEEEEEET !!!!
 

NothingClever

Explorer
You guys might want to check out http://zenstoves.net/ they have a ton of great information about backpacking stoves.

Rufus, welcome to Expedition Portal.
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Yep, been there....all told, I probably spent at least 48 hours researching acohol stoves. Not consecutively but over a week or so. Talk about a cottage industry! I have too many other hobbies to start making stoves so I simply went for a packaged consumer product. I was interested in the www.minibulldesigns.com stoves but stumbled on the Esbit series which I'm kinda partial to because of the cuppa cookset I used in Afghanistan.
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Anyways, welcome to the Portal....and don't be alarmed, not eveybody here is an esoteric snob flaunting exclusively-priced kit to outfit a colonial campaign into Africa. There are some genuine, regular folks here.
 

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